*PHASTEK* Perrin Tuned Vortech Supercharger Install Thread (3 Vehicles, 3 Kits)

[jamesm]

My kid totally fits in the back of the 86 in a booster seat, fwiw. He's 4.

The main advantage (though there are many) to the turbo is choice. Want 25+mpg? Stay outta boost. Wanna go fast? Get into it. Boost is easily adjustable, no swapping pulleys. You can run 8psi on 93 and with a fill up and a map switch you're rocking 15psi on e85. And of course turbos give much more power for the same money while burning less gas at any given power level (due to reduced parasitic loss).

The advantages of the supercharger are all subjective ('it sounds cool' or 'it feels great'). The days of laggy turbos necessitating an alternative are over. Just look at the oems... there aren't many supercharged ecoboost fords driving around, for good reason. There's no 'Eco' in the boost lol.

[2forme]

Popcorn, anyone?

[Huehuecoyotl]

Originally Posted by jamesm

My god that's horrific. 21mpg? Dealbreaker, when a turbo can do more with better economy.

I got a Prius for ya, if that doesnt cut it maybe that CRZ will do it for you?
Your Turbo budget and SC budgets are he same huh?... that youre drawing these fantastical 'conclusions' comparing 'kit's with these broad 'terms'? is that the case?

can you qualify your statements by telling us what turbo cars and what sc cars are in your garage at the moment?
what mods are you running? then lets see your fuel logs, and dynos...

april fools was a few days ago, wasnt it, so this better be a joke
My kit has better throttle response and a wider power band than the turbo 86 I drove
and others who are non biased agree, two different animals, if you ask me
what are your driving experiences you can share on our cars?

what turbo kit is in your frs or brz? do share..

WHAT ON EARTH is this obsession with MPG and power? if you cant afford the fuel you shouldn't be trying to make the power. MPG and HP mix as well as High HP Cars and infant car seats

and where are you getting you SC vs TC 'knowledge', ya must been hiding on this forum, cause I dont see your build thread
You wanna come on a SC thread and talk about how TCs are better?

really? she gets 26.5 mpg driving my car normally. I getting 24 unless I get ON IT when I see 22-23
I fail to see your point and argument @jamesm, not trying to spar with you, but I cant stand people talking down my kit, I got alot of performance AND MPG data to back up my positions here on this forum

Where is my Troll stamp?my forum hatchet? my duct tape? ahh, here is my popcorn
please educate us all more, unless ofcourse, youre really not sure of your positions, or dont have the means to back up what youre saying, it s time to back up a bit with your posts

(my 4 page wall of text has been edited down to avoid that ban hammer BS so I hope you can see I'm trying hell-a-hard to go 'easy' here)

[2forme]

Gem, I have your troll stamp.... you gave it to me, remember?

[Huehuecoyotl]

Originally Posted by 2forme

Gem, I have your troll stamp.... you gave it to me, remember?

Bro you snatched that when I wasnt looking, but its okay, I kinda like the way you been using it...:happy0180:

[Foobar]

Not enough data here to significantly prove one thing or another as far as MPG and the SC kit is concerned.

Hell, I've had that much variance on my NA car.

[PhastekSport]

All three units installed back on the vehicles. Easy for those who didn't convert back to NA (45 min a pop?).

I'll be enjoying driving the car so I might not post for a bit :-). We're sponsoring an event in Sealy, so I should be able to put it on the drag strip for numbers.

[Huehuecoyotl]

Originally Posted by Foobar

Not enough data here to significantly prove one thing or another as far as MPG and the SC kit is concerned.

Hell, I've had that much variance on my NA car.

I've got over 2300 miles on my kit, what is enough data?

[F1point4]

Cmon @Chris@Phastek. Went back to NA for #Science and cause I can't stand to be away from Lola.

Once you find something good you stick with it :P

[Sportsguy83]

Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

WHAT ON EARTH is this obsession with MPG and power? if you cant afford the fuel you shouldn't be trying to make the power. MPG and HP mix as well as High HP Cars and infant car seats

We must be living in an alternate universe lately, I can't agree with you more....

I mean, we are not talking about the cars now being at 8 MPG. We are talking at a slight reduction on MPG and its really besides the point. There are tradeoffs and sacrifices to be made. There is not point in boosting a car to not go into boost. Going into boost will consume more fuel. Was it the chicken or the egg???

[2forme]

Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

I've got over 2300 miles on my kit, what is enough data?

You run a nonstop video of 3 entire tanks of gas, including fillups and zoomed in shots of the pump and mileage tracker.

[F1point4]

Originally Posted by Foobar

Not enough data here to significantly prove one thing or another as far as MPG and the SC kit is concerned.

Hell, I've had that much variance on my NA car.

I agree that its not enough data, but i'm not going to ask father time to go faster . I will just have to drive the car more



To all: keep in mind I was getting like 24-25mpg prior to installing le Vortech. I do not drive this car for fuel eco. I daily drive this thing mostly in "city-esque" conditions. A few MPG drop that i'm seeing sounds reasonable. If I continuously saw <=19 mpg I'd be worried.
I've heard a wise-man once say: "You have to pay to play."

[Huehuecoyotl]

Originally Posted by 2forme

You run a nonstop video of 3 entire tanks of gas, including fillups and zoomed in shots of the pump and mileage tracker.

let me get right on that....

[Foobar]

Originally Posted by 2forme

You run a nonstop video of 3 entire tanks of gas, including fillups and zoomed in shots of the pump and mileage tracker.

This is pretty much it. We need controlled events to make any statistically significant analysis of this.

No offense to those who provided anecdotal data, but my fuel economy and fillup logs over the course of the past 3 months won't tell you anything other than some days I drive hard, some days I don't.

Not trying to pick a fight with anyone.