Video: FR-S Chases a 997 GT3 RS at Circuit of the Americas

[coyote]

Originally Posted by orthojoe

I don't have a problem with posting/highlighting the video. Yes, it's the way you guys have it worded. I thought I've made that very clear already.

We're just running around in circles here. Keep the wording the same if you want. I'm just trying to save the website some face. I know I'm not the only here that thinks the description is silly.

Of course you are correct, but this is a fanboi website.

Take the snippets of useful info and ignore the rest.

It'll do wonders for your blood pressure.

[orthojoe]

Originally Posted by coyote

Of course you are correct, but this is a fanboi website.

Take the snippets of useful info and ignore the rest.

It'll do wonders for your blood pressure.

LOL. Thanks. Maybe it will help with my heart arrythmia too. Actually, the only thing that helps that is going to a track day, believe it or not.

[WingsofWar]

Originally Posted by orthojoe

No need to 'dull' it down for me. You can insult me all day long if you like. It doesn't bother me. Your thought process still doesn't make sense in the 'dulled' version.

I didn't insult you, I didn't even attempt to insult you. You were not even trying attempt to understand my posts, as to what and why. So I attempted to "dull" the process because you failed to meet me half way. Sorry if it seemed i came off cross. That was not my intention

A GT3 (mind you not a GT3RS4.0 like in video which is much faster) can roughly run 2:20 at COTA while a FRS will roughly run 2:40 (pcasso ran 2:43). A 20 second difference is all that needs to be known in terms of the capabilities of the car. If you don't understand how 20+ seconds is an absolute crushing difference that can't be made up no matter how much you throw into the car, I can't help you.

I know this, I don't even know why you would bring it up at all, which is why i posted this

..i see the best lap for the Porsche 997 GT3 is 2:17.8 and the Miata is 02:41.7, s2k is 2:34.1

Even if Pcasso ran a 2:43 which is slower than the target stock 99 Miata, it doesn't even matter. Its not even a serious video.

You're basically putting Usain Bolt in a body cast, and then showing video of some generic high school runner 'chasing' after him. Look! He's holding his own! props to him! That's a testament to the high school runner's abilities! No. Not really. Not worth comparing. Why even bother when the other guy is in a body cast? The high school runner ran a good run, but are you really going to try to compare him to Usain Bolt... in a body cast (ok maybe one leg out so he can hop forward)?

I don't even know where this came from, quote one of us mods on where we insinuated anything of that matter.

Sure I could get in my rx7 do a few laps at PIR doing 70%. Film it behind a cruising 800hp time attack GTR, with both of us being slower than shit and say look at my chase video. Am i Chasing yes? am i moderately trying to be fast, yes, would it be wrong to highlight the video as chasing the GTR and leave it up to the viewer? No it wouldn't because thats the subject matter. And you a seasoned racer shouldn't even be phased by it because its not a serious video anyhow and therefore it doesn't matter but to just enjoy the show.

I don't have a problem with posting/highlighting the video. Yes, it's the way you guys have it worded. I thought I've made that very clear already.
We're just running around in circles here. Keep the wording the same if you want. I'm just trying to save the website some face. I know I'm not the only here that thinks the description is silly.

Right because you had an issue with the word hunts, when the context is exaggerated. I'll run around in circles here, if needed be. I'm seriously not attacking you dude, or trying to put you down. I'm just trying to respond the best i can.

Your attitude was pretty harsh and obvious from page 1, and you called us out on it saying the highlighted text makes us look foolish and it will make us
loose credibility. Those are some pretty tall accusations against us.

Perhaps if the video was actually posted by any of the mods/admin sure we would change it. But it wasn't. It was a member who posted and we gave it more flavor in the title for viewers to watch it. Would most people have watched it if the title said, "Members Track FRS slower than Stock Miata at COTA?" Even if we change it, the Video title would have still said "Scion FR-S Chasing Porsche 997 GT3 @ Circuit Of The Americas". That we cannot change.

1."Just how well does a turtle make love to a rabbit in a church? Watch to find out!"
vs
2."Look how well a turtle makes love to a rabbit in a church! Watch to find out!"

I don't see any issue with 1 because it can go both ways. I see exactly your point if we had said 2 because it can be only looked one way.

[orthojoe]

Forget it. You win. You're never going to get it. Leave it as is if you're ok with the website looking foolish. The fanbois will love it.

[SnapOv3st3r]

Originally Posted by orthojoe

No, he was a crappy driver who 'padded his resume' in order to get into the event. Apparent this event organized by MVP was for 'advanced' drivers only. That was not 'advanced' driving. There were lots of people who talked themselves up in order to get into the event, apparently.

? Was this some kind of elitist HPDE club or something?

[orthojoe]

Originally Posted by SnapOv3st3r

? Was this some kind of elitist HPDE club or something?

No, just some requirement that COTA had (you heard about the HPDE debacle COTA management had in Jan?) to allow this event. That, coupled with large interest in attending the event led to the limit. This is all hearsay. I wasn't there. My info could be wrong.

[Splat]

Originally Posted by romin

Agreed, here's what was left of another guys 911 from the same HPDE.
I also drove in this event and it seemed like many of these guys were frightened of their high HP cars, probably for good reason.

Okay, I will say it. I got the FRS due to the fact I can push it, a little. Unlike the HP Monsters, Mustang V8, that I would die in yesterday, I admit my limits and fears. I plan on trying to track my stock FRS sometime this summer if I can find the time.

[orthojoe]

If you're gonna highlight a video that really inspires, highlight this guy's videos:

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUBdlXPbjp8"]Stock 2013 Subaru BRZ @ Sears Point Sonoma Raceway 03/15/13 Toyota GT86Scion FR-S - YouTube[/ame]

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdZY1l08veM"]Stock 2013 Subaru BRZ @ Thunderhill 02/25/13 Toyota GT86 Scion FR-S - YouTube[/ame]

He's a forum member here and shows how much you can really do in a bone stock BRZ, with some lap times people can use as a benchmark.

[track_warrior]

I guess i will comment a bit on this since its my car on the track :happy0180:

MVP hosted a 3 day track event with 4 30 min sessions each day. Intermediate and advanced run groups only, and i was placed in yellow which was advanced. There were really no beginners since COTA was very anal about letting noob's ruin their expensive track. In my run group there were about 3 other GT-3 RS's its seemed everybody and their mothers were running GT-3'S that day. I had an encounter with the other GT-3'S running slicks and i could keep up in corner entry and exit speed i could also actually out brake them my main problem was they would dominate the straight aways with 155MPH+ top speeds and i would be down in the 116-117 MPH range cause of a bolton engine and big wing. I noticed the GT-3 was a bit more unstable in the low speed stuff but as it gained speed in the corner it would become more stable and i started to have a hard time catching them. I checked my V-BOX later and found a 2:40.8 which i guess was a good clean lap. I have another video im still editing where i am chasing Randy Pobst in a track prepped MX-5, i managed to keep up with him for a while but man Randy is a beast behind the wheel. The GT-3 driver seen on the video was obviously a bit more inexperienced than the other GT-3 drivers or was running a less sticky tire because i could see the difference from the other GT-3'S. I am tempted to say that my car with 350hp, R comps, and a less aggressive wing setup would have beat or been very close to a well driven GT-3, its time for a supercharger so stay tuned.

Here are some lap times from a track forum @ COTA:

Date: 02/03/2013
Best Lap Time : 2:34
Car: 2007 911 GT3
Estimated total vehicle weight with driver: 3200
Top Speed: ~145
Tire size and model: Michelin Pilot Super Sports in 19's (235 front and 305 rear)
Estimated ambient temperature: 70's and sunny
Mods: PFC08 brake pads.

Date: 2/3/2013
Lap time: 2:43.4
Car: 2008 Honda S2000 CR
Estimated total vehicle weight with driver: 3000 lbs
Estimated wheel horsepower: 215
Top Speed: 129mph
Tire size and model: 255/40-17 Hankook RS3
Estimated ambient temperature: 76 F , Sunny
Mods: Saner front sway bar, Brake ducts, brake lines, Carbotech XP10/XP8, ATE Blue fluid
Stock suspension, Intake, Exhaust.

Date: 1/13/2013
Lap time: 2:40
Car: S2000
Estimated total vehicle weight with driver: 3000
Estimated wheel horsepower: 210
Top Speed: 130mph
Tire size and model: 255/40R17 NT01 and old 235/40/17 Advan 032
Estimated ambient temperature: 55 and windy
Note: Front tires 12 years old (not R compound) - Puffo Air Intake - Test pipe + OEM Exhaust - Koni + Ground Controls - Carbotech 10


Grand-AM Rolex
DP cars: 1:59.8 to 2:01.change (Daytona prototypes... duh!)
GT cars: 2:09.0 to 2:11.change (458, M3, GT3 Cup, Corvette Cup)
GX cars: 2:17.8 to 2:19.change (Cayman, Mazda 6)

Continental Tire challenge
GS cars: 2:19.64 to 2:21.4 (M3, Camaro GS.R, Carrera, Aston Marton Vantage)
ST cars: 2:27.6 to 2:29.6 (MX-5, 128i, MazdaSpeed 3, Civic Si, 328i, Jetta)

Pro Mazda
2:03.1 to 2:03.8 (Pro Formula Mazda)



Date: 1/13/2013
Lap time: 2:33.x [2.32 with s/f at turn 11]
Car: 996 GT3
Estimated total vehicle weight with driver: 3400
Crank horsepower: 380 [factory]
Top Speed: Fast
Tire size and model: Pirelli scrubs
Estimated ambient temperature: 55 and windy
Essentially stock 996 GT3 except for new springs.


Date: 1/13/2013
Lap time: 2:43.675
Car: 2003 MINI Cooper S
Estimated total vehicle weight with driver: 2700
Estimated wheel horsepower: 180
Top Speed: 123.36 mph
Tire size and model: 205/50/15 R888
Estimated ambient temperature: 55 and windy
Lots of mods and most of the flammable bits removed.

Date: 1/12/2013
Lap time: 2:43.39
Car: 2011 BMW M3
Estimated total vehicle weight with driver: 3880
Estimated wheel horsepower: 350
Top Speed: 137mph
Tire size and model: 275/35R18 Nitto NT01
Estimated ambient temperature: 60 and damp
Mods: Dinan Stage II suspension, GC camber plates, Stoptech BBK, Dinan exhuast and pulleys.
Notes: I have an EASY couple of seconds in the braking zones for T1/11/12. I know I can pickup some time between T9-11...need to stay in the gas. Need to play with the esses a little bit.

Originally Posted by 7thgear

DAT CORVETTE

Yeah 800 WHP on E-85 and hoosiers, owner was awesome.

Originally Posted by kyolml

no major power mode and passing the GT3 in the straight effortlessly...

The forum host should definitely change its title, as it's hunt for what...

Looks like you have never been on a track day, when a less power full car is left behind on the straights but catches you in the corners its a gentlemen's rule to let him pass even if it means letting off a bit so he can pass you.

Originally Posted by NA_T

Not using the full width of the track sometimes when you clearly should, you are too gentle on steering input. It looks like this car needs abit more 'flick' into the corners. And learn to SLAM those AP brakes, braking could be so much later and harder..

Its not a race, you are out there to have fun and i wanted to make sure my brakes lasted 3 days thats why most of the time i was relatively easy on my brakes, on the using the full width you have to drive cota to really understand that some corners have to be taken differently because they will determine how they will position you for the next one.



Some pics of the event:







Randy pobst is in front of me here:

[iLuveKetchup]

Originally Posted by pcasso87

[B]I had an encounter with the other GT-3'S running slicks and i could keep up in corner entry and exit speed i could also actually out brake them my main problem was they would dominate the straight aways with 155MPH+ top speeds and i would be down in the 116-117 MPH range cause of a bolton engine and big wing. I noticed the GT-3 was a bit more unstable in the low speed stuff but as it gained speed in the corner it would become more stable and i started to have a hard time catching them.

Do you really believe this? really?

[track_warrior]

Originally Posted by iLuveKetchup

Do you really believe this? really?

I dont believe it i actually lived it. In the tight stuff i could keep up, they would walk away in the high speed corners and straights of course. The FR-S could also out brake them unless they were also idiot drivers. The difference between this GT-3 in the video and the other GT-3's is that after a couple of laps the others would disappear and this one i would see over and over as soon as the corners started. I still believe more HP and slicks for the FR-S would yield a much better result. Im not doubting the GT-3 driver was either not pushing the car or a bad driver but i can say i had a blast chasing him down.

Just FIY here are some lap times from H2R Harris Hill Raceway in my previous and current cars driven by me:

Scion FR-S (weight reduction, suspension, brakes, boltons, R comps): 1:27.1
E-92 M3 DCT Stock: 1:29.9
987 Porsche Boxster-S Stock: 1:31.3
2010 Nissan GT-R (AP Rotors, pads, fluid, 590WHP): 1:26.1
2011 C63 AMG ( NT-05'S, brake mods, 420WHP): 1:29.5
2008 GT-3 Stock NT-01's: 1:28.1 (Not my car so i did not push it as much as i could prob around 80%.)
My stock FR-S: 1:35.9

[SnapOv3st3r]

Originally Posted by orthojoe

No, just some requirement that COTA had (you heard about the HPDE debacle COTA management had in Jan?) to allow this event. That, coupled with large interest in attending the event led to the limit. This is all hearsay. I wasn't there. My info could be wrong.

Nope, I'm from the South East. I have no idea who COTA is, nor what their debacle was about.

[orthojoe]

Originally Posted by SnapOv3st3r

Nope, I'm from the South East. I have no idea who COTA is, nor what their debacle was about.

COTA = circuit of the America's. a new f1 track in Texas. Where the event in question took place. Back in January they tried to cancel all HPDE events that were already paid for and under contract. Rumor was they were canceling so they could gouge more money from 'richer' groups that wanted to use the track. The governor had to make some phone calls and intervened since public money was used to build the track

[iLuveKetchup]

Originally Posted by pcasso87

I dont believe it i actually lived it. In the tight stuff i could keep up, they would walk away in the high speed corners and straights of course. The FR-S could also out brake them unless they were also idiot drivers. The difference between this GT-3 in the video and the other GT-3's is that after a couple of laps the others would disappear and this one i would see over and over as soon as the corners started. I still believe more HP and slicks for the FR-S would yield a much better result. Im not doubting the GT-3 driver was either not pushing the car or a bad driver but i can say i had a blast chasing him down.

Sorry to be so blunt, but you are living a fantasy land. I have a video too of chasing & passing an ACR Viper. I'm not delusional to think that my POS s2k will hold a candle to the ACR when driven properly.