motor goes BOOM **UPDATED PICS 4/12/13**

[Noob4Life]

Originally Posted by industrial

I think if you are going to pay $5000 (+$ for install) for a turbo kit on your $27000 car you should be able to pony up another $200 for a custom tune... I think the point of the base map is so you can drive the car safely after install to get tuned. I'm sure there is a decent tuner near you. I've driven to San Fransisco from LA to get tuned before.

Never said money was the issue about me getting a custom tune just that I didnt know of any good tuners in my area. Ill ask around and see whats up, maybe ill drive to full blown when I get my setup.

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[Huehuecoyotl]

Originally Posted by Noob4Life

So are we saying running a basemap is not okay? I plan on going with an fa20 club setup and their basemap. I planned on running just the basemap because I dont know of any tuners in my area. I live in a crappy town

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not ok, how do you know youre NOT building boost?

[Inline6]

Originally Posted by Noob4Life

Never said money was the issue about me getting a custom tune just that I didnt know of any good tuners in my area. Ill ask around and see whats up, maybe ill drive to full blown when I get my setup.

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If money isn't the issue then you can get a less aggressive base tune via email and have the tuner slowly build it based off of your data logs. We have been back and forth with tuning on the BRZ via email and datalogs, there isn't a shop anywhere nearby that has done this setup before. The tunes were rich and timing was backed off at first but it slowly gets more aggressive which is the safe way to do it.

[Inline6]

Basemap is for getting your car home or somewhere you can get a proper tune loaded. On a basemap you shouldn't be boosting the car. Yea it's gonna be tempting but not worth the outcome.

[Inline6]

Originally Posted by Frs300

basemap is fine just dont do what i did and hold off on installing a boost gauge of some sort. install it from the get go..hell i had my wideband/failsafe and shit in the back seat in the box so its not like i didnt have one.

me being lazy turned into almost 10K $$$$$$

You said you didn't have a reputable shop near you but you have Titan Motorsports that isn't far? I wish I lived that close to them.

What are your plans for the car now?

[Frs300]

Originally Posted by Inline6

Basemap is for getting your car home or somewhere you can get a proper tune loaded. On a basemap you shouldn't be boosting the car. Yea it's gonna be tempting but not worth the outcome.

lol tell me about it

[jamesm]

I think the downside to boosting at this high of a compression ratio is the knock sensitivity and it's requirement for more careful tuning. Obviously base maps can be acceptable and work well for a conservative tune, as that is the accepted way of doing things in most circles really. I think most people consider a custom tune on a car with a turbo kit a 'great to have', not a 'must have'. In our case it seems to be pretty much necessary for anything beyond the drive to and from the shop.

Are you from Orlando? We have several excellent shops here in town.

[Noob4Life]

Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

not ok, how do you know youre NOT building boost?

Glad I found this out now and what do you mean? I'd have at least a boost gauge, i take it I'll need a wideband as well for an accurate tune? I'm still doing my research on what supporting mods i'm going to need. My last car came factory with a turbo so all I needed was a boost gauge and I sent my ECU in to be remapped with 22psi. I didn't have to worry about custom tuning or any of that (2004 Jetta 1.8T) So this is all new to me.

Originally Posted by Inline6

If money isn't the issue then you can get a less aggressive base tune via email and have the tuner slowly build it based off of your data logs. We have been back and forth with tuning on the BRZ via email and datalogs, there isn't a shop anywhere nearby that has done this setup before. The tunes were rich and timing was backed off at first but it slowly gets more aggressive which is the safe way to do it.

That seems like a good route to go as well if I can't find anybody in the area to dyno tune it for me. Full blown is a good 8 hours away but I'm sure it'd probably be my best bet since they're familiar with these cars.

[Coheed]

I could see the engine overboosting and a piston coming apart... but I don't see a rod coming out the side with under 400whp. The rods don't seem to be that weak to me, but I haven't seen them in pictures. But they look like they will handle 500whp without issue from the pics I've seen. Now, at that power level I'd expect rod bolt stretch eventually causing a failure.

I guess let's all hope we aren't the unlucky ones? Failure seems low, but there are only a handful of FI cars out there in comparison to NA.

[FA20Club.com]

Originally Posted by Noob4Life

So are we saying running a basemap is not okay? I plan on going with an fa20 club setup and their basemap. I planned on running just the basemap because I dont know of any tuners in my area. I live in a crappy town

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the issue is all maps are starting points and should be backed up with logs. on the forced induction tunes ive done remotely i only run up the rpms in 1000rpm increments at a time while verifying with datalogs. and thats still on a proven base. but hopefully this failure is based on installer error as an isolated instance.

[Xdragonxb0i]

Originally Posted by Adeets

@Frs300 To prevent anything like this happening to another user, I could suggest if you don't know of a good aftermarket shop for the FRS/BRZ, watch for a highly modified Subaru during your daily driving, follow him til he stops* and ask what shop he uses, do it a couple times, and the first shop to get mentioned twice, get an address and go check them out.

I've lived in several Cities (28) and I do just that every time I'm in a new city, its worked every time, a lil scary stalkerish, but you cant ignore the results. The stalkee after you explain what you were doing normally laughs and helps you out.

*make sure to announce that your not armed and mean no harm when your following them into their driveway, didnt happen to me but a buddy got a gun pulled out on him when he did this in texas. (I've always owned a subaru so I dont know how they would take it if you follow a subaru in a non subaru vehicle, which is what my buddy did in texas.)


Also do you have anymore pictures of your engine?

Kinda dangerous, just post a thread in the reigional section. it should provide decent results

[ft_sjo]

Originally Posted by Coheed

I could see the engine overboosting and a piston coming apart... but I don't see a rod coming out the side with under 400whp. The rods don't seem to be that weak to me, but I haven't seen them in pictures. But they look like they will handle 500whp without issue from the pics I've seen. Now, at that power level I'd expect rod bolt stretch eventually causing a failure.

I guess let's all hope we aren't the unlucky ones? Failure seems low, but there are only a handful of FI cars out there in comparison to NA.

Det kills rods.

[xwd]

Originally Posted by Noob4Life

Glad I found this out now and what do you mean? I'd have at least a boost gauge, i take it I'll need a wideband as well for an accurate tune? I'm still doing my research on what supporting mods i'm going to need. My last car came factory with a turbo so all I needed was a boost gauge and I sent my ECU in to be remapped with 22psi. I didn't have to worry about custom tuning or any of that (2004 Jetta 1.8T) So this is all new to me.



That seems like a good route to go as well if I can't find anybody in the area to dyno tune it for me. Full blown is a good 8 hours away but I'm sure it'd probably be my best bet since they're familiar with these cars.

When I got a more radical setup on my WRX (2.5L block swap, EJ207 heads, etc.) I drove about 20 hours one-way on an old map, never going above 4000 RPM and very little boost to get it tuned by someone I knew would do a great job. 8 hours is a small price to pay to get something done 100% right.

[Frs300]

toyota never bothered to see what springs the wastegate had in it. all they had in it was the blue spring which is 5.8psi. they went by what the box said was installed.