Got my car back from Vortech!-3rd party tests & test drivers thread

[Sportsguy83]

Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

Not here to mislead anyone, nor do I get a commission if you shop Vortech or Perrin, so why would I mislead you?

I didn't mean or imply that. I hope the 255 is WHP and congrats on running very good numbers!

Just curious about the chart. Honestly, don't even need to answer me, you know I've gone in another direction.

[djdnz]

This is so ridiculous. He posted a dyno which he has paid his own money for, he has said multiple times that the dyno is showing WHP, he has given reasonable comparable systems, in which his numbers would tend to fall between.

2forme and Sportsguy83, where are your dynos to disprove these results. I'd like you guys to go dyno immediately, also please contact the dyno operator to confirm that your dyno is correct. Please provide a signed affidavit to prove that you actually have a supercharger installed with a 3.3" pulley. Please provide multiple dynos from multiple locations at different times of days at each dyno so we can confirm that you are not lying to us. WE JUST WANT THE TRUTH!

Forums... I swear. In real life I'm sure you guys aren't so annoying.

[Sportsguy83]

Originally Posted by djdnz

This is so ridiculous. He posted a dyno which he has paid his own money for, he has said multiple times that the dyno is showing WHP, he has given reasonable comparable systems, in which his numbers would tend to fall between.

2forme and Sportsguy83, where are your dynos to disprove these results. I'd like you guys to go dyno immediately, also please contact the dyno operator to confirm that your dyno is correct. Please provide a signed affidavit to prove that you actually have a supercharger installed with a 3.3" pulley. Please provide multiple dynos from multiple locations at different times of days at each dyno so we can confirm that you are not lying to us. WE JUST WANT THE TRUTH!

Forums... I swear. In real life I'm sure you guys aren't so annoying.

Dude, take it easy. I just asked a question and I guess you didn't read my later post.

Which was this one and right above yours:

Originally Posted by Sportsguy83

I didn't mean or imply that. I hope the 255 is WHP and congrats on running very good numbers!

Just curious about the chart. Honestly, don't even need to answer me, you know I've gone in another direction.

"He doesn't have to answer me". It was just a legitimate question because it didn't make sense for the HP curve to be called one thing in one dyno sheet and a different name at the other... If you can't handle adult having a civilized conversation, don't jump into it. We adults here are not fighting or having any issues, just "chatting". I already posted a Dyno of my car and even I find those results questionable. You will not find anyone crying about it..

[2forme]

Originally Posted by djdnz

This is so ridiculous. He posted a dyno which he has paid his own money for, he has said multiple times that the dyno is showing WHP, he has given reasonable comparable systems, in which his numbers would tend to fall between.

2forme and Sportsguy83, where are your dynos to disprove these results. I'd like you guys to go dyno immediately, also please contact the dyno operator to confirm that your dyno is correct. Please provide a signed affidavit to prove that you actually have a supercharger installed with a 3.3" pulley. Please provide multiple dynos from multiple locations at different times of days at each dyno so we can confirm that you are not lying to us. WE JUST WANT THE TRUTH!

Forums... I swear. In real life I'm sure you guys aren't so annoying.

Dude, chill out. I said before. I hadn't seen that specific dyno type before so I did some digging and now we are just trying to figure out which figure is being posted. Hell, even Gem isn't 100% sure. We're trying to get accurate comparisons here. I hope it's whp myself, but I'm curious as to why the shop would label it crank on their website.

As far as dynos are concerned, I've plastered my dynos all over this site. I have no issue putting my money where my mouth is. LOL

Originally Posted by Sportsguy83

You will not find anyone crying about it..

Sportsguys dyno

[Huehuecoyotl]

Originally Posted by 2forme

Hell, even Gem isn't 100% sure. We're trying to get accurate comparisons here. I hope it's whp myself, but I'm curious as to why the shop would label it crank on their website.

As far as dynos are concerned, I've plastered my dynos all over this site. I have no issue putting my money where my mouth is. LOL



Sportsguys dyno

Where are you getting this?

I'm 100% sure its 255 WHP, for the record. Some of you are not sure, just some. I dont know whether to half laugh at this crap or if you guys are serious, introducing BS dynos to confuse folks.

Its okay if you think I dont know the difference between crank and wheel, really.

The kit will make even more power than I will show you, watch, and hold tight to your doubts.

[2forme]

Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

Where are you getting this?

I'm 100% sure its 255 WHP, for the record. Some of you are not sure, just some. I dont know whether to half laugh at this crap or if you guys are serious, introducing BS dynos to confuse folks.

Its okay if you think I dont know the difference between crank and wheel, really.

The kit will make even more power than I will show you, watch, and hold tight to your doubts.

If you're sure, then explain the discrepancy of why the shop would explicitly label it crank on their site, with whp being a completely separate plot? Look at any dyno sheet they post on their site. They all list BHP and WHP as separate figures and plots. Why didn't you post the ENTIRE dyno sheet until people said something about it? The sheet itself says 241 whp.

There are too many inconsistencies and fact "peek-a-boo" going on here...

[Hawaiian]

Originally Posted by 2forme

Gem, if you throw a dyno in your garage, I'll personally drive to your house and we can compare numbers and cars until we're passed out on the garage floor.

I'll bring the header, catted and uncatted! AZ is a closer drive than Vegas anyway.

[Huehuecoyotl]

Originally Posted by Hawaiian

I'll bring the header, catted and uncatted! AZ is a closer drive than Vegas anyway.

Equal Length Borla will be part of my build and so yes, you will see dyno when that gets addeed! woo hoo!

Originally Posted by 2forme

Why didn't you post the ENTIRE dyno sheet until people said something about it?

Funny you ask, I did this for you and my Troll Crew, that you often seem to be leading. Voluntary or involuntary, I can almost count in the fact you will challenge any and every post I author, its cool, to a point tho.

I saw you coming a mile away bud

Posting less data is MORE, I was only trying to avoid THIS Bullshit that pans the last dozen posts that you sir, have started an at this point have become known for and are proud of, but really, I am growing to be more and more lacking in appreciation for the doubt and paranoia you incessantly spread on my thread(s). Still, if Joe responds, I'll post, but if you cant buy that he and I talked, I asked/paid for Wheel dyno with no crank correction, and all we do is correct for sae readings from raw. No drivetrain loss was accounted for in my readings. I know what I paid for, and its okay if you are feeling clueless, mmmmk?

However, I really think youre all outta line asking me, outta line posting some random dyno you found elswhere on my thread about my build and my car and my results, or my dyno shop to prove our shit. if you dont buy it, dont, who cares? If you doubt me, wait till someone else posts their results, but youre gonna have to wait and see if Joe replies, if he doesnt form your own conclusions. I would like it if you, @2forme, started your own thread about how to read dynos, and perfer if you refrained from repeating casting your doubt, as it seems that youre one of a very small few, who never believes me. if you have further comments on my dyno results, please post them elsewhere, you have stated your doubt, I've tried to address it, now move the heck along.

they are my results, I am sharing them, if you dont buy it, oh well.

My final answer is in my signature. Deal with it guys.

[2forme]

Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

Funny you ask, I did this for you and my Troll Crew, that you often seem to be leading.

I saw you coming a mile away bud

Posting less data is MORE, I was only trying to avoid THIS Bullshit that pans the last dozen postsyou sir, have started an at this point have become known for and are proud of, but really, I am growing tobe more and more lacking in appreciation the doubt and paranoia you spread on my thread.

You're right, Gem. I'm sure GoodSpeed changed their naming schema just for your specific dyno. Everyone else gets wheel horsepower and brake horsepower, while Gem gets WHP and WHP+.

There is no troll crew. There are people who want answers for the inconsistencies and vagueness abound in YOUR vortech thread. Do you see people questioning Phastek's results? Anyone? No.

[OrbitalEllipses]

Random interjection: GoodSpeed uses a MAHA dyno.

[2forme]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

Random interjection: GoodSpeed uses a MAHA dyno.

Yup! MAHA LPS 3000

http://www.maha-usa.com/LPS3000.htm

* Power measurement at constant RPM, speed, tractive force
* Graphical and numerical display of wheel, drag and engine power and torque
* Background display of three power measurements
* Individual display of performance curves

Or from Goodspeed's site itself.

http://www.goodspeedperformance.com/dyno.php

Measuring actual crankshaft horsepower and torque, No more random power train loss guessing. This dyno measures drivetrain loss during each run cycle.

[Hawaiian]

Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

Equal Length Borla will be part of my build and so yes, you will see dyno when that gets addeed! woo hoo!

I can't wait to see the numbers.

On a side note, Take a deep breath and a shower. We don't want to see the old gem come back. I rather like the new and improved Huehuecoyotl.

[TemeCal]

Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

Equal Length Borla will be part of my build and so yes, you will see dyno when that gets addeed! woo hoo!




Funny you ask, I did this for you and my Troll Crew, that you often seem to be leading. Voluntary or involuntary, I can almost count in the fact you will challenge any and every post I author, its cool, to a point tho.

I saw you coming a mile away bud

Posting less data is MORE, I was only trying to avoid THIS Bullshit that pans the last dozen posts that you sir, have started an at this point have become known for and are proud of, but really, I am growing tobe more and more lacking in appreciation the doubt and paranoia you spread on my thread. Still, if Joe responds, I'll post, but if you cant buy that he and I talked, I asked for Wheel dyno with no crank correction, and all we do is correct for sae readings from raw. No drivetrain loss was accounted for in my readings. I know what I paid for, and its okay if you are feeling clueless

However, I really think youre outta line asking me, or my dyno shop to prove our shit. if you dont buy it, dont, who cares? If you doubt me, wait till someone else posts their results, but youre gonna have to wait and see if Joe replies, if he doesnt form your own conclusions. I would like it if you, @2forme, started your own thread about how to read dynos, and perfer if you stooped casting your doubt, as it seems that youre one of a very small few, who never believes me. if you have further comments on my dyno results, please post them elsewhere, you have stated your doubt, I've tried to address it, now move the heck along.

My final answer is in my signature. Deal with it guys.

I appreciate all of your hard work, dynos, and personal money you've spent to provide this information. I personally agree that 2forme is out of line...not just here...but in most FI threads. Some defend him, saying he's only seeking truth. Those that defend him, tell others to "chill" when they voice their opinions or try to thank/defend Gem. There are a few posters (everyone knows who they are) in this FI section, that make it unbearable at times.

With that said, you can guarantee I will never post a dyno. I will keep the dyno to myself, because frankly, it's not worth being badgered and doubted by some of these guys. I'm sure I'm not alone in this, which ultimately hurts the forum. Why would anyone want to post a dyno?

...and cue the e-bullies telling me to chill. Cue the e-bullies telling me I'm wrong, and that they're simply truth seeking. Cue the e-bullies saying they have nothing against Gem. Cue the e-bullies saying this is an adult conversation, and there are no hard feelings. You guys are so predictable.

[Huehuecoyotl]

Originally Posted by 2forme

You're right, Gem. I'm sure GoodSpeed changed their naming schema just for your specific dyno. Everyone else gets wheel horsepower and brake horsepower, while Gem gets WHP and WHP+.

There is no troll crew. There are people who want answers for the inconsistencies and vagueness abound in YOUR vortech thread. Do you see people questioning Phastek's results? Anyone? No.

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