Vortech Supercharging System Update - More boost, more POWER!

[Adeets]

Originally Posted by jdzumwalt

This is why I crimped my connections instead of soldering.I also heat shrink the connectors.

Continue reading the posts, he is completely wrong with his statements. If you dont want to blame a gun for shooting someone, you can't blame solder for the shitty connection you just made.

[Calum]

Originally Posted by tg_1981

Calum i think the difference is your head unit was broken. Vortech supercharger unit they sent me is not broken. It's a different compressor and they have given us the ability to upgrade at no cost for labor.
I appreciate your love in trying to get them to make it right...In reading all the threads i think the tester and everyone who has posted has caused Vortech to step their game up...props to the ft-86 community

Originally Posted by Adeets

Its not broken, its a free upgrade. completely different beasts.

I certainly don't want to argue over this, you guys are the customers, at this point I haven't dropped the coin.

I would like to explain my line of thought though.
Brian, representing Vortech said "we are leaving room for people to go more aggressive if they wish."1 Vortech also posted "Over 240RWHP & 180RWTQ @ 6PSI 91 Octane Pump Gas."2

But it's come to light that 240RWHP is (was) the max, which seems like false advertising to me. For me, it all comes down to this, they sold a product that doesn't do what they said it would. Now I don't think they were purposely being missleading and I certainly do not think they intended to lie. But I do feel that it should be entirely on them to fix the situation now that they are aware of it.


1) http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...7&postcount=54
2) [ame]http://youtu.be/Wh1hdZ25dx8[/ame]

[Calum]

Originally Posted by Coheed

I was still hoping for 294(w)hp though :P

I want to see this kit making close to 300whp on pump, if that is possible.

I'm still wondering why they redesigned the V3 compressor instead of sticking with the known entity they already had. I really wish they would publish something about this compressor.

[Huehuecoyotl]

what makes you think they redesigned the v3? compressor being offered is a v3..

[Calum]

Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

what makes you think they redesigned the v3? compressor being offered is a v3..

"Gear-driven V-3 H67B centrifugal supercharger, designed specifically for the FA20 Boxer engine" from here http://www.vortechsuperchargers.com/page.php?id=30190


It would be nice if it was just a clocked si or sci. Then we (or at least I) could be a little more comfortable knowing what it's limits actually are.

I though you said something about dynoing again at a lower altitude, am I correct? If so, when? I'm really looking forward to seeing some independent numbers from this new compressor.

[2forme]

Originally Posted by Calum

"Gear-driven V-3 H67B centrifugal supercharger, designed specifically for the FA20 Boxer engine" from here http://www.vortechsuperchargers.com/page.php?id=30190


It would be nice if it was just a clocked si or sci. Then we (or at least I) could be a little more comfortable knowing what it's limits actually are.

I though you said something about dynoing again at a lower altitude, am I correct? If so, when? I'm really looking forward to seeing some independent numbers from this new compressor.

His signature are his results at sea level.

[buditjoenawan]

Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

what makes you think they redesigned the v3? compressor being offered is a v3..

Originally Posted by Brian@Vortech

Therefore, all Vortech systems for the FR-S/BRZ will now include the upgraded V-3 H67B compressor set at 9psi, with the capability of supporting 13+ psi for those interested in pushing the envelope outside of E.O. compliance. We have applied and are proceeding through the E.O. process as originally planned, at the 9psi H67B output level. We are confident this adaptation will deliver even more of the exceptional performance you want and expect from Vortech Superchargers.

I took this to mean the compressor is upgraded from what they were originally shipping: that the original compressor is good for <9psi. Someone correct me if I am wrong.

budi

[ft_sjo]

Originally Posted by ft_sjo

How confident are you Vortech/Perrin/Visconti that 300whp is possible with 98RON fuel, with an otherwise stock car apart from cat-back exhaust?

@Visconti ?

[Huehuecoyotl]

Originally Posted by Calum

"Gear-driven V-3 H67B centrifugal supercharger, designed specifically for the FA20 Boxer engine" from here http://www.vortechsuperchargers.com/page.php?id=30190


It would be nice if it was just a clocked si or sci. Then we (or at least I) could be a little more comfortable knowing what it's limits actually are.

I though you said something about dynoing again at a lower altitude, am I correct? If so, when? I'm really looking forward to seeing some independent numbers from this new compressor.

Sorry, misread or misunderstood what you said, V-3 H67B is the same box whether its yesterdaday's 6-9psi kit or todays 9-14psi kit was what I was saying, not sure if that was what you were asking.

Yes I live at 4300, town is at 4500. It does affect power, alot.
Phoenix, aka the city, is down between 1500feet and some parts go as low as 1100iirc. My dyno shops are up in scottsdale which is still 1500 feet, so thats 'low altitude to me', but still NOT sea level.
For you costal guys, thats likely high altitude!(I lived in NYC,NJ and PNW so I know how cool dense air can do wonders) Keep this in mind whenever you see my numbers.

My last dyno at 8.5 psi was with this latest compressor version at 1500feet making 239.5whp on a VORTECH tune. Could that be a solid 3% more at sea level at 9.1psi(pulley limit at OE redline at sea level)? I bet it gets you closer to the advertised 249whp? going from winter mix I have here for fuel to costal fuel may be a help too? I dont really know.

Thats all published with Vortechs 7400 rpm OE redline. If you get a tune from Perrin, or possibly one of the other vendors(Fa20?, Visconti or others), most are not at 7400 redline last I checked, so with more rpm=more spin=more psi=more boost=more power, so I would say the kits numbers are pretty spot on from where I sit. The perrin tune feels more powerful than the Vortech tune with the same psi, so take that with a grain of butt dyno salt. I dont have the dollars to go test everything, but once youre past the 9spi mark, your no longer running a Vortech tune! From 9psi+ its choose a vendor, so hp:psi will depend to some extent on tuning, geography,tuner and climate.

I know I'd make more power, next to the ocean, where Vortech's facility is. When I was there, I checked, they are at like 55 feet of altitude, and cooler.(I live where its already 90F tuesday where I plan to dyno!)

I'm taking it really slow, intentionally, so I am now on a 10psi Perrin tune,which I will later try with and without a wastegate, and this also preps me for 11.5-12 and 12(+?)psi testing where a wastegate is required, so yeah, you should expect to see several dynos from me in coming weeks.

So next is 10psi, no wastegate. I may not take it past factory redline tho the tune allows for it. You should see that tuesday. Once I have the wastegate and boost controller setup, I will feel more comfy playing with the kits potential above 10psi, and above factory redline. Need to buy a wideband and gauge. And no, ofcourse I expect psi for psi the TC to make a bit more peak power, but thats not what this kit is about.

Originally Posted by 2forme

His signature are his results at sea level.

My signature, which I since removed, was with a test file, not the production tune, but prolly close. It was just the highest dyno plot I had on hand to post. Not that 243whp is shabby.
Sure its 6hp off from the Vortech posted 249, but chalk that off to error, whatever, they claim you should get 249whp(witha 15% reduction), I got 243. right on. If I took a few pounds of air out, or was running a stock sized tire, like they were for their dyno, it may make it even...yes? Lets not assume it was my car that was used for their numbers, the owner of Vortech owns a FRS...my results and the posted numbers arent perfect control groups is all i am saying.

I've got to not drink coffee before I post...

[Calum]

Originally Posted by 2forme

His signature are his results at sea level.

I've got signatures turned off.

Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

Sorry, misread or misunderstood what you said, V-3 H67B is the same box whether its yesterdaday's 6-9psi kit or todays 9-14psi kit was what I was saying, not sure if that was what you were asking.

Yes I live at 4300, town is at 4500. It does affect power, alot.
Phoenix, aka the city, is down between 1500feet and some parts go as low as 1100iirc. My dyno shops are up in scottsdale which is still 1500 feet, so thats 'low altitude to me', but still NOT sea level.
For you costal guys, thats likely high altitude!(I lived in NYC,NJ and PNW so I know how cool dense air can do wonders) Keep this in mind whenever you see my numbers.

Jesus you must be a fast typer...

Anyway, yes, 1500 feet is still stupid high to me. I live at one of the highest altitudes in my province, at about 650 feet. There are a few areas at about 1000 feet... So yeah.

Thanks for posting your results.

[liteyouup]

Both of you are low altitude.

5342 where I sit right now.

[Mobius357]

I think I'm at around 200 feet. This kits looking better and better, darn mortgage getting in the way.

[Huehuecoyotl]

one of my job locations is in Flagstaff,which sits anywhere from 7000 to, well,9,000 ft at Mount Elden , while I reside at 4300, I can double my altitude in just an HOUR! Makes for great test logs...

[sf86]

I have some money from my tax refund. I will jump on this kit as soon as it gets CARB approved.Thank you very much for your hard work. I love you guys