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Brian@Vortech · 03-21-2013, 04:12 PM

Our production numbers are based off of cars with zero modifications other than our production system. In fact, although we did use Gem's car for prototyping, vehicles brought in for R&D (other than Gem's car) had their aftermarket exhaust removed and returned to stock prior to testing.

Oh, and just for total clarification, all of our production numbers are always crank/engine numbers. CARB, safety, and longevity is always the primary concern over every last HP. We will always leave some HP on the table for safety's sake and emissions legality. If you want the highest number possible, that is where custom tuning and mods come in. No matter what...these systems are exciting stuff.

ft_sjo · 03-21-2013, 04:36 PM

Why does this dyno graph show a final drive of 4.9x?

nonicname · 03-21-2013, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Sportsguy83

Brian, for the sake of clarity can you clarify if this are CRANK HP and TQ numbers? If so, can you please post the WHP and WTQ numbers?

Thanks.

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Sportsguy83 · 03-21-2013, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian@Vortech

Oh, and just for total clarification, all of our production numbers are always crank/engine numbers. CARB, safety, and longevity is always the primary concern over every last HP. We will always leave some HP on the table for safety's sake and emissions legality. If you want the highest number possible, that is where custom tuning and mods come in. No matter what...these systems are exciting stuff.

Quote:

Originally Posted by nonicname

the guy said RWHP
rear wheel horse power!

If you would have read the thread instead of jumping the gun, you would have read the above post which was just two above yours.....

ATL BRZ · 03-21-2013, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ft_sjo

Why does this dyno graph show a final drive of 4.9x?

The graphs clearly say fly wheel power at the top...

Sportsguy83 · 03-21-2013, 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ATL BRZ

The graphs clearly say fly wheel power at the top...

All Perrin (or Dynapack) dynos say "Flywheel" at the top but are in fact connected at the wheel hubs

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ATL BRZ · 03-21-2013, 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sportsguy83

All Perrin (or Dynapack) dynos say "Flywheel" at the top but are in fact connected at the wheel hubs

.

wtf... that's how you start a shit storm like this over uncertainty between WHP vs Crank HP

Sportsguy83 · 03-21-2013, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ATL BRZ

Good job Perrin, that's how you start a shit storm like this over uncertainty between WHP vs Crank HP

Perrin has always clarified this when they post Dynos.. (I think its not their fault, I believe it cannot be deleted from the sheet).

Also, that Perrin sheet at 300 whp is at 13 psi.

ft_sjo · 03-21-2013, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ATL BRZ

The graphs clearly say fly wheel power at the top...

That's great, but it's nothing to do with my question.

Pete · 03-21-2013, 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ft_sjo

Why does this dyno graph show a final drive of 4.9x?

Because the pull was in 4th gear.

final drive is 4.1:1 - 4th gear is 1.213:1

so 4.1 x 1.213 = 4.9733

djdnz · 03-21-2013, 05:17 PM

Hey Brian, any chance you guys have considered the plug and play harness extension as opposed to cut and solder as part of this change?

This is awesome news about the power increase for no additional cost!!! One more reason to love you guys!

Brian@Vortech · 03-21-2013, 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by djdnz

Hey Brian, any chance you guys have considered the plug and play harness extension as opposed to cut and solder as part of this change?

This is awesome news about the power increase for no additional cost!!! One more reason to love you guys!

We are still looking into the harness. It may end up making its way into the system, but in the meantime the necessary wiring is included the extend the existing MAF.

ATL BRZ · 03-21-2013, 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian@Vortech

We are still looking into the harness. It may end up making its way into the system, but in the meantime the necessary wiring is included the extend the existing MAF.

Willing to pay extra for a plug and play MAF harness if and when I go Vortech. Please, please include it. It may not seem like a big deal to some people to cut and solder, but I am terrible at things like that and always make mistakes. Plus a plug and play harness finishes off the kit as 100% reversible. That's a great selling point!

Also Brian, are the smaller washer fluid tanks on sale individually yet? I want to buy one.

kinryu · 03-21-2013, 05:48 PM

just got my frs with the 9psi and this thing is a beast!! thank you vortech!!
the back of my head finally hits the headrest!!!!! lol
video coming up soon!

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