Innovate Motorsports Twin Screw Supercharger Kit for FR-S/BRZ

[captain_jack]

Originally Posted by Jeff86

I don't think this thread needs to go in the direction of criticizing Innovate's approach. They don't have to do their R&D in front of the masses or like company X does. So they take a different approach and are keeping things under wraps. It is obviously no less valid an approach. Look at how much interest there is. The mystery around the whole thing is effective.

I've heard good things about Innovate with their data logging products. I think assuming they won't be good with product support based upon them being quiet during R&D on this forum is jumping to conclusions.

Could not have said it better myself.

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[Future]

You guys are saying 2000 posts.... In a marketing way, you should be counting the VIEWS which will hit 180,000 very soon... Many here (like me and most people I think) don't post, since theres nothing to say...

[industrial]

Originally Posted by Jeff86

I don't think this thread needs to go in the direction of criticizing Innovate's approach. They don't have to do their R&D in front of the masses or like company X does. So they take a different approach and are keeping things under wraps. It is obviously no less valid an approach. Look at how much interest there is. The mystery around the whole thing is effective.

I've heard good things about Innovate with their data logging products. I think assuming they won't be good with product support based upon them being quiet during R&D on this forum is jumping to conclusions.

Yeah well it's blatantly manipulative. If you want to be responsible, keep your product under wraps until it's ready or give updates. What Innovate has done is just generate hype and yeah, some people aren't cool with that.

What if Subaru officially announced back in October that there will be a turbo 2014 BRZ STI for $29,000! YAY, this is too good to be true! And then absolutely no information followed for the next 5 months aside from leaks that maybe it won't make as much power as people are expecting. Yeah, people will get pissed.

[nonicname]

I'm pissed!

[Huehuecoyotl]

Originally Posted by industrial

Yeah well it's blatantly manipulative. If you want to be responsible, keep your product under wraps until it's ready or give updates. What Innovate has done is just generate hype and yeah, some people aren't cool with that.

What if Subaru officially announced back in October that there will be a turbo 2014 BRZ STI for $29,000! YAY, this is too good to be true! And then absolutely no information followed for the next 5 months aside from leaks that maybe it won't make as much power as people are expecting. Yeah, people will get pissed.

control your anger, dont get pissed, appreciate the undertaking and its complexity.

Heck if its any solace to you all, I was car-less for over 4 months while my car was a test mule. I didnt complain much, or call my vendor weekly, tho it was a challenge to not. Updates are never as frequent as one would like!

Theres more to it with this type of production project, its not all car tuning, HP and TQ, there is the money to fund it all, try and gauge demand etc. There alot going on in other economies right now.

theres the tooling, protoyping, testing, shipping across the pond, testing with different fuels, climates, etc etc, so never underestimate the challenges any vendor or manufacturer has in funding, contracting, acceptance testing etc.

Especially where you have firms in Austrailia,Asia and USA that need to sync up for this converged component product to be all we think it will be.

As one of our cars has a centri SC, you can bet I am watching this thread as I think about what the heck to do with the other car. I dont REALLY want two of the same, so yeah, I'm hoping this thing makes a splash too!

It would be pretty cool to have two SC BRZs, each from a different vendor. One for track torture with oodles of top end, and the other with a meaty midrange. Not a bad strategy for my garage. I dont think I have turbo budget for either car, if I did a turbo it would be getting a big assed FMIC, huge oil cooler and a bad assed radiator. that all can add up fast, can can be work, so in my opinion, patience for the SC market to catch up with the Turbo market is worth it.

Turbo BRZ would compete with STI sales, why injure their flagship?

Sure updates would be nice, I personally dont think 2000 posts have urged them to respond, and sure, as end users, its tricky to process and interpret that in light of what we want to expect in the way of communication and responsiveness, but its truly too early to formulate any judgements. Keep your cool kids. I'm rooting for this team too.

I spoke to Adam today at length, and I suggest we all hold our breathe to see what this is, it DOES sound promising. They are very much intent on bringing a solid product to market.

The idea of one car being centri(track car high HP build, more peak power, mine) and the other being an Innovate Twin Screw(DD more low rpm power delivery,hers) is indeed a fun one to toss around.

[industrial]

Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

control your anger, dont get pissed, appreciate the undertaking and its complexity.

Heck if its any solace to you all, I was car-less for over 4 months while my car was a test mule. I didnt complain much, or call my vendor weekly, tho it was a challenge to not. Updates are never as frequent as one would like!

Theres more to it with this type of production project, its not all car tuning, HP and TQ, there is the money to fund it all, try and gauge demand etc. There alot going on in other economies right now.

theres the tooling, protoypinhg, testing, shipping across the pond, testing with different fuels, climates, etc etc, so never underestimate the challenges any vendor or manufacturer has in funding, contracting, acceptance testing etc.

Especially where you have firms in Austrailia,Asia and USA that need to sync up for this converged component product to be all we think it will be.

As one of our cars has a centri SC, you can bet I am watching this thread as I think about what the heck to do with the other car. I dont REALLY want two of the same, so yeah, I'm hoping this thing makes a splash too!

It would be pretty cool to have two SC BRZs, each from a different vendor. One for track torture with oodles of top end, and the other with a meaty midrange. Not a bad strategy for my garage. I dont think I have turbo budget for either car, if I did a turbo it would be getting a big assed FMIC, huge oil cooler and a bad assed radiator. that all can add up fast, can can be work, so in my opinion, patience for the SC market to catch up with the Turbo market is worth it.

Turbo BRZ would compete with STI sales, why injure their flagship?

Sure updates would be nice, I personally dont think 2000 posts have urged them to respond, and sure, as end users, its tricky to process and interpret that in light of what we want to expect in the way of communication and responsiveness, but its truly too early to formulate any judgements. Keep your cool kids. I'm rooting for this team too.

I've been carless since November too. Damn winter. I'm still on the fence about FI. I'm not in a huge hurry to commit to one platform or another. I just think it's dishonest to advertise a product so early in the development cycle and then provide no information. It's basically just leading people on.

[Foobar]

Originally Posted by industrial

What if Subaru officially announced back in October that there will be a turbo 2014 BRZ STI for $29,000! YAY, this is too good to be true! And then absolutely no information followed for the next 5 months aside from leaks that maybe it won't make as much power as people are expecting. Yeah, people will get pissed.

I dunno man, Subaru/Toyota took a long-ass time to deliver the product (BRZ/86/FRS) they started hyping early on...

[Mitch]

Originally Posted by Foobar

I dunno man, Subaru/Toyota took a long-ass time to deliver the product (BRZ/86/FRS) they started hyping early on...

Seriously. For two years we knew that Subaru was going to make a version of the 86, but had no clue what it would look like. They even teased us by displaying the unibody and drivetrain at car shows, but never showed the body until the car was practically at dealerships.

[industrial]

Originally Posted by Foobar

I dunno man, Subaru/Toyota took a long-ass time to deliver the product (BRZ/86/FRS) they started hyping early on...

Yeah well it was a concept for a long time. It felt far less tangible early on. They didn't really crank the hype machine until the late 2011 when the launch was eminent. Which is how it should be done.

This sc kit has had a price and detailed launch package, install pics and videos for a long time. There was a thread before this one dating back to last august showing the kit installed on a car. It's felt like this kit was close to being real for a long time and I think that's the frustrating part. You can only stand around with a boner in your hand for so long man!

[AZFA20]

I think a big mis-conception that many people have is in regard to the man power these companies have to focus 100% on 1 single product. For years I did prototyping and testing for many aftermarket automotive companies in CA and AZ in the early 2000s ranging from body kits, turbo kits, brake kits, etc. I use to build SEMA cars on a regular basis so dealing with new product and the process of production is something I am very familiar with. I still do from time to time but even I don't have time for it anymore. I have even gone as far as lending my own personal vehicles for as long as 9 months for R&D for a product that ultimately never came out for the public. For whatever reason people think there are army's of people working for these individual companies, when in reality they are often very small with only a handful of employees. Sometimes their names are bigger than their staffing. The point is I am certain Innovate would love to release this product yesterday but it isn't always that easy and you have to understand their #1 priority is to focus on current customers and products. This is a product of prospective customers. If current customers weren't their priority there would never have been a concept to R&D a new product in the first place for prospective customers. Since the staffing is usually small in numbers relative to what people think, R&D is usually done in what little time they have in between running a business

I know it can be difficult to be patient and a few lines here and there pertaining to updates would help but little updates have been coming...... did everyone forget about last week? Bottom line those who are serious about purchasing a specific product will likely have no problem waiting. The world of 86, BRZ, and FR-S owners is much bigger than this forum as the views of this thread may indicate. Heck I even browsed this forum for a year before actually created an account

[RT87]

Originally Posted by Chewie4299

You don't get it.

Many of us don't mind that they take their time. What we mind is the fact that THEY STARTED THIS THREAD and they've completely stopped updating us.

Nameless has still not released their header and their thread has been around longer than this. They, however, are constantly providing updates as to where they are with development and what their hold-ups are.

No one in that thread is complaining about the delay because Nameless is communicating.

I think this is where the confusion lies. I never believed this to be an R&D thread, they just simply wanted us to know that one was in the works. Some manufacturers will update their threads during R&D, which is totally cool but that doesn't mean that everyone has to do it. Personally, I'm fine with Innovate's approach.

[Innovate Motorsports]

Greetings All!

As always, we appreciate your enthusiasm for our product. With constant development and honing; installation of data collection, analysis of data logs, swapping of parts, driving, etc. We are very busy both with this kit and our other responsibilities. Often we simply just do not have the time, or man power, to be on the forum. However, we will always do our best to respond to your PM's as soon as we can.

We have mentioned this before, but it bears repeating. It is absolutely critical that this product be as near perfect as is possible prior to release. We do not believe in making you, the consumer, a guinea pig for product development that should have been refined before release. This is why we will not take a single deposit, payment or pre-order before the product is 100% ready and meets our standards for fitment and function. Even if that means delaying projected release dates.

When we have some specific and desired information regarding the product, you can be certain it will be posted as soon as possible. Now it is time to get back to work.

[Carwhisperer]

^ Boom.

[superpilun]

Thanks for the update, Innovate. Are you at a point in the development process where you can give an estimated release date?