Spotted, a new viewpoint

[SVTSHC]

Embrace it! Hopefully it'll send a message to the manufacturers that there IS a market for small lightweight sports cars. Also, think of the aftermarket! I drive an SVT focus atm and while there is an aftermarket, it sucks that it's so small. So little options

[bestwheelbase]

Originally Posted by NemesisPrime909

I won't ask you to change your opinion, I'll only ask you not to go off insulting people who haven't done anything to you.

[boredom.is.me]

Originally Posted by Soslow

Enjoy your insurance rates. The other reason I'm buying a brz.

Till they realize that it's the same damn car...

[LeeMaster]

Well, the only thing that would make me cringe is if the other guy is being reckless and trying to street race me and somehow ended up crashing the car. Other than that, I enjoy seeing other BRZ/FRSers just because there aren't a lot from where I live....

[KSC]

Originally Posted by boredom.is.me

Till they realize that it's the same damn car...

Not adding fuel to the fire, genuinely curious is all, but wouldn't history give us some insight on this? Lots of cars share platforms. I wonder if say an Eagle Talon had the same insurance rates an Eclipse?

edit: Better yet, a Chyrsler 300 and a Charger. I don't think being "the same car" is going to affect rates. I'd say they would each be treated seperately.

[Kuzuri]

I'm okay with seeing them around... Just as long as my neighbor doesn't pull into his driveway with one, Ill be alright haha

[NOHOME]

Originally Posted by Soslow

1..."Knowing and being able to demonstrate proficiency on a manual should be a requirement of obtaining a license....

2-I'm not trolling anyone,


3-I honestly believe (and the data from the rest of the world backs it up) That Americans are fatter, dumber and lazier about driving than other civilized countries.

4-More over people refusing to learn to drive a manual and/or buy them ruins it for those of who prefer a manual, evidenced by how many vehicles aren't available with a manual here in america yet in Europe the same vehicles often are.

5-It is upsetting that we as a nation have become so lazy/apathetic/willfully ignorant that we can't even be bothered to shift our own gears and find the joy in it lest we have to deal with a little traffic here and there. How first world of us.

I'm more sad than mad.

WOW, and I though I was weird!

1-Why? I can ride a unicycle, does it make me a better driver? Should it be a requirement to get a license just because I can do it? What about juggling? I think that the demonstrated ability to text and drive should be mandatory, god knows that those who are bad at texting and driving kill other people. I am still trying to figureout how driving an auto transmission is going to hurt other people? Can you please explain?

2-Sorry, I apologize because I thought you were.

3-Any chance you could share this data? My job compels me to drive all over the world, and compared to China, Italy, India and Paris, driving in any place in North America is pretty civilized.

4-Every coin has two sides. Vehicles are often not available in automatic configuration in Europe. I have heard people in Europe voice the opposite of what you say. So who is right? Car companies sell what people tell them they want.

5- Rarely grow my own crops or slaughter my own meat either. Now THAT is a shame as far as I am concerned! Killing and cutting animals is something that keeps us in contact with our roots in nature, and so few bother to do this simple act anymore. Perhaps if we ate more road kill that we killed while driving our manual transmission cars, we could bring nature back into balance.

[rhoyle]

Originally Posted by Soslow

Keep being butt hurt, bottom line is if you don't know how to drive a stick shift, you don't know how to drive. If you buy your SPORTS cars with an auto.... Pathetic. My opinion on this has never and will never change.

I bought a manual car without knowing how to drive a manual...

Just so we're perfectly clear: If you drive an automatic vehicle out of choice, I absolutely look down on you as inferior. Even my girlfriend drives a stick shift.

1. Is a Cayman a sports car? What about a 911? Because their automatic is clearly the superior transmission and anyone who really cares about driving will purchase those cars equipped with it. Even the auto mags say so.

2. Speaking of things that aren't safe....

3. Just so we're perfectly clear: I look down on anyone who judges other people and thinks they are inferior. I promise you that there are things in this world that I can do that you can't. That doesn't mean your inferior to me. It might mean that your priorities lay in other areas, or it may mean that you're an ignoramus as your trolling suggests, but it doesn't mean that you're inferior.

[shawnperolis]

Originally Posted by rhoyle

1. Is a Cayman a sports car? What about a 911? Because their automatic is clearly the superior transmission and anyone who really cares about driving will purchase those cars equipped with it. Even the auto mags say so.

2. Speaking of things that aren't safe....

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to troll anyone or be a jerk... But those sports car transmissions are using very sophisticated double clutch gearboxes, not the standard auto transmissions in other cars. And I bought my first manual trans car without knowing how to drive one and I don't see the safety hazard in that. You just practice in parking lots before you go out on the road with it.

edit: and the more I think about it, the Cayman and the 911 are track monsters, so obviously getting the one with the transmission that shifts the fastest is what you want if you are tracking it... But because the FR-S is just meant to have fun in I think that even if the auto was faster (It's not, but who cares - it's a slow car) the manual trans would be the one to get just because you're not going to get that feel when you heel-toe before a turn or throw the gears around down the mountain roads.

I'm not saying that automatic owners shouldn't be allowed to drive, that is kind of a ridiculous thing to say... But I do feel that the auto in this car misses the point - I can't have fun in an automatic, I don't even like driving an automatic just to get from point A to B. But if you drive an auto that's fine with me, I don't think you are a douchebag because of it... Or a "fat, stupid, lazy American" haha. It's just in Honda land where I'm from whenever you see a ridiculously riced out car it is almost always an automatic... Gets a bad stigma after awhile. I'm just hoping that doesn't happen with the twins.

[Soslow]

Originally Posted by rhoyle

1. Is a Cayman a sports car? What about a 911? Because their automatic is clearly the superior transmission and anyone who really cares about driving will purchase those cars equipped with it. Even the auto mags say so.

2. Speaking of things that aren't safe....

3. Just so we're perfectly clear: I look down on anyone who judges other people and thinks they are inferior. I promise you that there are things in this world that I can do that you can't. That doesn't mean your inferior to me. It might mean that your priorities lay in other areas, or it may mean that you're an ignoramus as your trolling suggests, but it doesn't mean that you're inferior.

Let me break down like this. For most cars under the average used car purchase price (which is something in 30k range) a manual is a far superior choice. In vehicles like the Cayman I would STILL choose the manual, not because it's faster but because it's simpler, allows far more involvement and "fun." I don't go to a track every day and when I do the extra tenths that PDK/DCG/SMG would save don't really matter. If I went a track all the time and if I was competing I'd consider it. But I'm not a race car driver competing at the top tier of racing so I stand to gain more time from driving a better line and being bolder than anything the gearbox can do for me.

I wouldn't buy a 911. The Cayman I'd have in a manual, the R8 (which is what I'd buy over a 911) I'd take with a manual as well. It's more involving and fun. Beyond that there is a certain satisfaction from "getting it right" when you're the one doing the gear changing.

Of course if you don't even know HOW to drive a manual how could possibly even hope to understand it?

This is not "my talents lie in other areas" issue, it's a fundamental skill that EVERYONE who holds a license should be able to perform. The perfectly executed heel-toe downshift is "my talents lie in other areas" issue. Not the act of changing gears in a car that doesn't do the thinking for you.

It's kind of like how I regard an supposedly educated adult who can't perform basic logic/reasoning/math task as intellectually inferior. I'm sorry that mommy and daddy told you everyone was equally valuable but they're just not.

Originally Posted by shawnperolis

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to troll anyone or be a jerk... But those sports car transmissions are using very sophisticated double clutch gearboxes, not the standard auto transmissions in other cars. And I bought my first manual trans car without knowing how to drive one and I don't see the safety hazard in that. You just practice in parking lots before you go out on the road with it.

Exactly, my dad taught me how to drive a manual and didn't let me drive it alone until he felt I was proficient enough to not be a hazard to myself/others. I taught my girlfriend, I will teach my children.

The whole point of this car is driver involvement and fun, why in the world would you then take a car, designed from the ground up to be as involving as possible and pay MORE to be less involved with it? It just doesn't make sense.

[NemesisPrime909]

Originally Posted by Soslow

I think you'll find most blue collar workers can drive a manual genius. Quit being lazy and learn how to drive. Lazy fat stupid Americans. There's a difference between no manual option offered on the vehicle you need to earn a living and paying extra so that you can be a lazy shit that doesn't know how to drive. Knowing and being able to demonstrate proficiency on a manual should be a requirement of obtaining a license.



Believe it or not it does make a difference, unless accident rates end up being the same or worse for the brz.

Damn dude I only asked you to be a bit nicer regarding your own opinions.

For the record, I can drive a MT, and when orders for the 2014 BRZ open up, I will be reserving mine as an MT.

I never said those blue collar workers didn't know how to drive MT, I was saying nowadays, you'll find that the MT is getting harder to find in some cars. and if you need a new truck, van, etc. you most likely won't have the option.

you feel the way you do, i feel the way I do, but don't go off on people who merely disagree with you. It's called having a conversation.

[Robmilkshakes]

Originally Posted by Soslow

Let me break down like this. For most cars under the average used car purchase price (which is something in 30k range) a manual is a far superior choice. In vehicles like the Cayman I would STILL choose the manual, not because it's faster but because it's simpler, allows far more involvement and "fun." I don't go to a track every day and when I do the extra tenths that PDK/DCG/SMG would save don't really matter. If I went a track all the time and if I was competing I'd consider it. But I'm not a race car driver competing at the top tier of racing so I stand to gain more time from driving a better line and being bolder than anything the gearbox can do for me.

I wouldn't buy a 911. The Cayman I'd have in a manual, the R8 (which is what I'd buy over a 911) I'd take with a manual as well. It's more involving and fun. Beyond that there is a certain satisfaction from "getting it right" when you're the one doing the gear changing.

Of course if you don't even know HOW to drive a manual how could possibly even hope to understand it?

This is not "my talents lie in other areas" issue, it's a fundamental skill that EVERYONE who holds a license should be able to perform. The perfectly executed heel-toe downshift is "my talents lie in other areas" issue. Not the act of changing gears in a car that doesn't do the thinking for you.

It's kind of like how I regard an supposedly educated adult who can't perform basic logic/reasoning/math task as intellectually inferior. I'm sorry that mommy and daddy told you everyone was equally valuable but they're just not.



Exactly, my dad taught me how to drive a manual and didn't let me drive it alone until he felt I was proficient enough to not be a hazard to myself/others. I taught my girlfriend, I will teach my children.

The whole point of this car is driver involvement and fun, why in the world would you then take a car, designed from the ground up to be as involving as possible and pay MORE to be less involved with it? It just doesn't make sense.

It doesn't make sense, and this is the important part, to you.

While I get where you are coming from, and in some ways agree, people have their reasons. I personally enjoy driving a manual transmission, but considering I often get stuck in rush hour I95 traffic, I can see how it would be a deal breaker for some, not to mention other reasons such as physical diabilities, or hell, just personal preference.



Anyway, back on topic, although I do see the twins more often than I did a few months ago, I honestly wouldn't expect to see them to be nearly as common as Mustangs or some of the other comparisons that have been made in this thread. One of the biggest reasons for this is their relatively modest amount of power. While most of us see it as being just fine, too often do you hear complaints about the lack of power, so it will more than likely stay mostly with enthusiasts who can see past the numbers. This is probably the best of both worlds as there will still be plenty of aftermarket options for this car while still being somewhat rare compared to other more common sports cars.

[jmaryt]

Originally Posted by dem00n

No, the worlds full of cars.

You don't see me going.

Let me buy a god damn three wheeler to show those damn four wheeler's.


Want be different?

Cut your **** off, you'll be hella different.





inb4goodsportscarunder30k.

Originally Posted by shawnperolis

I don't mind it all that much, but I am kind of upset that Toyota/Subaru decided to give the twins an automatic option. I'm coming from a Civic Si, where Honda didn't put a slushbox in it because if you wanted that, the normal Civic was just fine for you. Because the FR-S is a pure driver's car, it ruins it (for me) to see that a bunch of them out there are automatics. It kind of kills the "cool" and "exclusive" factors, knowing someone who can't drive can roll up next to me in an autotragic FR-S.

Originally Posted by bestwheelbase

1) Make something unique to your car.
2) Remember that it's not the modifications that make it yours, it's the memories. Grab a friend and go somewhere in it. Make memories. Then it will be unlike all the rest.

remember people! it's just a car! it's NOT the second coming of jesus!

[jmaryt]

Originally Posted by 86'd

You are not a beautiful and unique snowflake. You are the same decaying organic matter as everyone else, and we are all part of the same compost pile.

ehe! he! he!