FA20CLUB Over Pipe Front Pipe & Cold Air Intake Now Ready

[lbroskee]

Originally Posted by FA20Club.com

just so you guys know to get the over pipe off unbolt the passenger side engine mounts nut on the bottom of the car then jack up the engine from the header it slides right out. in about 10-15mins total removal time with hand tools

ya we just used a crowbar. it's that stupid factory heat shield that catches everything

[sierra]

Originally Posted by FA20Club.com

just so you guys know to get the over pipe off unbolt the passenger side engine mounts nut on the bottom of the car then jack up the engine from the header it slides right out. in about 10-15mins total removal time with hand tools

Any chance of some pics to show the engine mount nut to be removed and where to jack the engine to get the clearance?

[FA20Club.com]

i can do that next week got both lifts tied up for a couple days

[sierra]

Originally Posted by FA20Club.com

i can do that next week got both lifts tied up for a couple days

Thanks!
It's the part i'm not looking forward to doing on axle stands and getting it right first time will be a big help.
If I decide to get it done in a workshop it will also help to be able to tell them exactly what to do so they don't stuff it up because they wont have done it before either.

[FA20Club.com]

No worries its relatively simple installation process

[JoeBoxer]

It's not that bad, the nut is up in the subframe just take it off and you can tell where to jack it there aren't many options.

[ATL BRZ]

Originally Posted by FA20Club.com

The car lost power without tune adjustments. I have noticed that most customers who install the over & front pipe contact me with datalogs running extremely rich from their current tune and complaining of a loss of power. Ill have all the parts uninstalled tonight and be able to run the car with all stock parts tomorrow and I can almost expect the baseline to improve. Whats amazing is that this combo is almost what im seeing with the Drop-IN header back setups ive tuned locally. They have made 3-4whp more than this car did tonight.

So that said, why are the front pipes offered for sale currently on your site all say that they make power in the description? Shouldn't there be some kind of disclaimer that says in big bold letters "TUNE RECOMMENDED TO GAIN POWER" ?

Example from your site:


I just don't want to be misled. There are a few companies selling front & over pipes now that all advertise that they make power without a tune.

[FA20Club.com]

Have you ever seen many manufacturers that sell you a product and tell you it doesnt make power....? That would be bad for business. I test a product if it doesnt work well I dont use it. People buy parts all the time without independent validation. If you want to find out if a part makes power from one of these companies i suggest you baseline your car stock then install the part and test it again. Then add another supporting mod and retest.

Take it with a grain of salt i recently tuned 2 cars with E85 both made 191hp but one had a gutted stock secondary cat, muffler shop exhaust, k&n drop-in the other had aFe intake perrin over pipe, front pipe and stock exhaust. At quick glance you would think the second car would have made more power but that wasnt the case.

[ATL BRZ]

Originally Posted by FA20Club.com

Have you ever seen many manufacturers that sell you a product and tell you it doesnt make power....? That would be bad for business. I test a product if it doesnt work well I dont use it. People buy parts all the time without independent validation. If you want to find out if a part makes power from one of these companies i suggest you baseline your car stock then install the part and test it again. Then add another supporting mod and retest.

Take it with a grain of salt i recently tuned 2 cars with E85 both made 191hp but one had a gutted stock secondary cat, muffler shop exhaust, k&n drop-in the other had aFe intake perrin over pipe, front pipe and stock exhaust. At quick glance you would think the second car would have made more power but that wasnt the case.

I can understand that, and it's very unfortunate from a buyer's perspective that I have to deal with potentially false claims from front pipe manufacturers and have to deal with testing the claims myself which is a waste of my time and money. I do appreciate the testing you've done and the tuning as a result to make the power gains.

With you being a reseller of many front pipes that aren't your own, I think it would be helpful to provide accurate descriptions of the products. If you've tested front & over pipes and determined that they lose power without a tune, shouldn't you be promoting your tuning business by saying in the product description that a tune is required to gain power from them?

[sierra]

So the RHD overpipe I bought from you will make my car lose power unless I get a tune too?
I haven't fitted it yet because i'm still working on the flange faces to get them flat. They were very convex, especially the front flange and certainly not suitable for bolting up without risking leaks and shearing bolts.
I'm certainly not fitting it if it will mess up the mixture and lose power. If I had known that I wouldn't have wasted $300.

[FA20Club.com]

Originally Posted by ATL BRZ

I can understand that, and it's very unfortunate from a buyer's perspective that I have to deal with potentially false claims from front pipe manufacturers and have to deal with testing the claims myself which is a waste of my time and money. I do appreciate the testing you've done and the tuning as a result to make the power gains.

With you being a reseller of many front pipes that aren't your own, I think it would be helpful to provide accurate descriptions of the products. If you've tested front & over pipes and determined that they lose power without a tune, shouldn't you be promoting your tuning business by saying in the product description that a tune is required to gain power from them?

The text is the manufacturers press release not my own i advise you to voice your opinion to their PR dept. Please keep my thread on point regarding my products and my testing results. Im responsible for my own products and findings not theirs.

[FA20Club.com]

Originally Posted by sierra

So the RHD overpipe I bought from you will make my car lose power unless I get a tune too?
I haven't fitted it yet because i'm still working on the flange faces to get them flat. They were very convex, especially the front flange and certainly not suitable for bolting up without risking leaks and shearing bolts.
I'm certainly not fitting it if it will mess up the mixture and lose power. If I had known that I wouldn't have wasted $300.

over pipe on its own is only complimenting the full exhaust upgrade since it doesnt affect the secondary cat you wont have much negative affects. the over pipe is meant to compliment a car equipped with front pipe and exhaust. at that point the only restriction will be the header itself.

[ATL BRZ]

Originally Posted by FA20Club.com

The text is the manufacturers press release not my own i advise you to voice your opinion to their PR dept. Please keep my thread on point regarding my products and my testing results. Im responsible for my own products and findings not theirs.

Fair enough. I still think you should put a "Tune Recommended To Gain HP" note in the description of ALL over and front pipes that you sell based on your testing results. Most over pipes and catless front pipes are similar in design, so your testing results would likely be applicable for other manufacturer's products that you also sell. It can only help sell more tunes, right? I want to buy a catless resonated front pipe but I also need to budget for a tune if it's going to lose power without one.

[FA20Club.com]

I just shot you over a PM for pricing from the other thread