Poll: Who tracks their 86 without going BBK

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by Kido1986

Good fluid, AX6s and 117mph into turn 17 all day in 100F ambient went well for me

117? Hmm I need to check my speedo or you need to enter 16 a lot faster

[Kido1986]

It was my first time on full course, still a newbie (only 4 overall real track days under me). I was entering 16 about 62 if I recall the GPS logs.

<racedriverexcuses>
I'm fat and weight the car down
I'm using 7" wheels with 215s
excuse #3
excuse #4
</racedriverexcuses>

[iLuveKetchup]

What offsets or wheel design fit the AP kit?

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by Kido1986

It was my first time on full course, still a newbie (only 4 overall real track days under me). I was entering 16 about 62 if I recall the GPS logs.

<racedriverexcuses>
I'm fat and weight the car down
I'm using 7" wheels with 215s
excuse #3
excuse #4
</racedriverexcuses>

Ha I'm fat too. No excuse

I am using wider tires but that can hurt on a low HP car too.

I'll datalog this weekend since last time I made the brilliant decision to update firmware on the Solo forgetting that I never downloaded the data.. yeah.. my BRZ data and data from the Boss 302 were both lost

I need to bleed brakes, switch pads, etc tonight

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by iLuveKetchup

What offsets or wheel design fit the AP kit?

17x8 RPF1s in the common offset (45 IIRC), 17x9s RPF1s are now reported to fit in +35.

Some other info here: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19756

[JRitt]

Originally Posted by iLuveKetchup

What offsets or wheel design fit the AP kit?

Our systems fit a wide range of 17's, but you need a spacer with the OEM wheels.

You can check wheel fitment on our site for either:
Sprint wheel fitment template

Endurance wheel fitment template

There's also a dedicated wheel fitment thread here.

Wheels that customers have told me fit without any spacer:
Sprint
Enkie RPF1 17x8 45
Wedsport TC105n 17x9 35
Mach V Motorsports "Awesome" wheel 17x9 42
Work Ultimates 18x8.5 47
Sparco (designed by OZ) Assetto Gara 17x7.5 48

Endurance
Enkie RPF1 17x8 45
BBS CH-R 18x8 38

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by aCab

I think the car's brakes are more than adequate.

Depends on what you consider adequate. Will it get the job done? Yes. Is it cost effective? No.

The S2k's brakes get the job done, but it's expensive to sustain.

Originally Posted by GTB/ZR-1

Not for the fast drivers on braking-intensive courses.

aCab is one of the fastest guys in the country... on a whole different level from me.

Originally Posted by JRitt

My estimate is that the average guy who tracks his car regularly will save enough money in two seasons to completely pay our system off. That doesn't even include all the intangible costs of time and potential problems. That's just straight savings on pads, discs, fluid, and resale value. The lengthy list of system benefits is just gravy.

Absolute truth.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

aCab is one of the fastest guys in the country... on a whole different level from me.

Without a doubt Austin is a very very good driver

He's also probably more efficient with his brake usage compared to me

Sadly I lost all confidence in the stock gear and I doubt I'll ever get it back.

[iLuveKetchup]

Thanks for the info Dave-ROR & JRitt.

[aCab]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Depends on what you consider adequate. Will it get the job done? Yes. Is it cost effective? No.

The S2k's brakes get the job done, but it's expensive to sustain.



aCab is one of the fastest guys in the country... on a whole different level from me.



Absolute truth.

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

Without a doubt Austin is a very very good driver

He's also probably more efficient with his brake usage compared to me

Sadly I lost all confidence in the stock gear and I doubt I'll ever get it back.

Now I know you guys are just full of crap. I'm not fast, I'm just stupid enough not to know to drive slower. Two tire walls this year is testament to that. But the more beat up the s2000 body got, the faster the lap times were!

Agreed that the stock braking system is not economical by any means, but I do have my reasons:

I think the stock calipers will work is due to me needing to believe that they WILL, so I don't spend those precious NASA TT points on them. If brake wear is anywhere between the S2k (wear through pads fast), and miata (wear through pads slowwwwww), I'll be ok.

I see that most everyone is running brake kits dave,mike, robi, etc. I'm interested to know what the limits of the stock system are. Yes, I sell parts for a living, so I'm inclined to say they are needed but if you're only using them to slow or settle the chassis, that are their limitations with good fluid, stainless lines, and good pads? I'm sure ill find out this season.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by aCab

Now I know you guys are just full of crap. I'm not fast, I'm just stupid enough not to know to drive slower. Two tire walls this year is testament to that. But the more beat up the s2000 body got, the faster the lap times were!

Agreed that the stock braking system is not economical by any means, but I do have my reasons:

I think the stock calipers will work is due to me needing to believe that they WILL, so I don't spend those precious NASA TT points on them. If brake wear is anywhere between the S2k (wear through pads fast), and miata (wear through pads slowwwwww), I'll be ok.

I see that most everyone is running brake kits dave,mike, robi, etc. I'm interested to know what the limits of the stock system are. Yes, I sell parts for a living, so I'm inclined to say they are needed but if you're only using them to slow or settle the chassis, that are their limitations with good fluid, stainless lines, and good pads? I'm sure ill find out this season.

The other benefit is unsprung weight reduction... this car needs every bit of power it can put to the ground...

Robi was using an ULTRA light rotor. I don't know the exact weight, but I'd guesstimate around 6 lbs per ring. He cracked one in 2 places this weekend ala s2k. :o They were replaced by some beefier ones...

[Evasive Motorsports]

Stock car you just need pads and fluid. Unless you make like 500+hp. BBK kit will slow you down in the turns with too much bite.

[sw20kosh]

Originally Posted by Evasive Motorsports

Stock car you just need pads and fluid. Unless you make like 500+hp. BBK kit will slow you down in the turns with too much bite.

my apologies when I created this poll I should have said "totally new brake system" instead of BBK. I didn't know the ESSEX sprint kit is more of a performance brake kit rather than a huge BBK.

I love the Sprint kit for its weight savings and for its ability to slow down wear on components.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by aCab

Now I know you guys are just full of crap. I'm not fast, I'm just stupid enough not to know to drive slower. Two tire walls this year is testament to that. But the more beat up the s2000 body got, the faster the lap times were!

See!! There's proof. I've only hit one tire wall this year!