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OrbitalEllipses · 02-13-2013, 09:55 PM

Forced induction, I'd be hoping for 300whp at LEAST. < 10lb/hp or bust.

cmss2000 · 02-13-2013, 09:58 PM

That wasn't the torque dip....they're both HP curves.

Power doesn't seem bad for the low boost non-intercooled version.

JoeBoxer · 02-13-2013, 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

Forced induction, I'd be hoping for 300whp at LEAST. < 10lb/hp or bust.

300 at the wheels is a huge gain for this type of supercharger, a 50% gain is about all you can ask for unless you added header and e85 in the mix then it might be possible.

swift996 · 02-13-2013, 10:04 PM

The torque had to be smoothed out because the torque dip causes a dip in the HP line too.

EZWood · 02-13-2013, 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeBoxer

300 at the wheels is a huge gain for this type of supercharger, a 50% gain is about all you can ask for unless you added header and e85 in the mix then it might be possible.

I wouldn't mind a flex fuel tune with the stage two to compliment my full exhaust. 300 at the wheels would be cool, but to run all that you're looking at fuel pump and injectors, wider tires, and the suspension to put the power to the ground, not to mention upgraded brakes to stop it all.

Hardrock4445 · 02-13-2013, 10:11 PM

Anyone else wondering what that guy is doing? Trying to take hard parts to the head if it Spodes? Lol

ahausheer · 02-13-2013, 10:13 PM

anyone up to do the math on the hp numbers to generate a torque curve?

d1ck · 02-13-2013, 10:23 PM

This took 5 minutes based on HP chart they posted. Given HP you can calculate torque. Sorry about the poor quality I did it in google docs, because I don't have office installed right now.

Here's the spreadsheet I made:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...Wc&usp=sharing

d1ck · 02-13-2013, 10:27 PM

This one accounts for the discrepancy between their stock power numbers and the ones we're used to seeing. (Roughly 17.8%) This is based on their measured peak of 140 HP and what we normally see which is 165HP

Edited: I had a mistake

Here's the spreadsheet I made:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...Wc&usp=sharing

Sportsguy83 · 02-13-2013, 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dimman

Just whp.

~140whp baseline
~200whp with twinscrew
~40% increase.

Estimate ~280 hp at the crank.

There is no way 200 whp equates to 280 crank hp

Draco-REX · 02-13-2013, 10:39 PM

I like the shape.

I just can't believe that they've sold multiple kits and noone's done a good dyno run. The Aussie gearheads must have a very different attitude about stuff like this. I can't imagine spending that much money on this with only half a dyno graph and barely any info. And then bolting it on without giving it a good once over on a dyno.. Boggles my mind.

Still maintaining hope. This still remains the thing that could convince me to void my powertrain warranty early. I want to see an intercooled one pushed hard by Visconti on E85...

Dimman · 02-13-2013, 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sportsguy83

There is no way 200 whp equates to 280 crank hp

40% difference from baseline?

Twin screws are inherently pretty efficient and Aussies tuning on Dyno Dynamics give brutal numbers.

My local tuner spent a few years in Aus and uses a Dyno Dynamics. We had a Supra meet a few years ago with a shoot out on a Dynojet. Cars he tuned picked up 30-60 whp over their DD charts. (these were cars in the ~500-600 range, though )

I realize this is anecdotal, but DD have a pretty ruthless rep for their numbers in the Supra community.

EZWood · 02-13-2013, 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Draco-REX

I like the shape.

I just can't believe that they've sold multiple kits and noone's done a good dyno run. The Aussie gearheads must have a very different attitude about stuff like this. I can't imagine spending that much money on this with only half a dyno graph and barely any info. And then bolting it on without giving it a good once over on a dyno.. Boggles my mind.

Still maintaining hope. This still remains the thing that could convince me to void my powertrain warranty early. I want to see an intercooled one pushed hard by Visconti on E85...

Obviously you've never seen mad max.

Sportsguy83 · 02-13-2013, 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dimman

40% difference from baseline?

It might be true, your math is right. That is a ridiculously low baseline though...

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d1ck Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: Black 2013 FRS Location: Newfoundland Posts: 249 Thanks: 31 Thanked 83 Times in 54 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	This took 5 minutes based on HP chart they posted. Given HP you can calculate torque. Sorry about the poor quality I did it in google docs, because I don't have office installed right now. Here's the spreadsheet I made: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...Wc&usp=sharing Attached Images

02-13-2013, 10:27 PM	#1255
d1ck Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: Black 2013 FRS Location: Newfoundland Posts: 249 Thanks: 31 Thanked 83 Times in 54 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	This one accounts for the discrepancy between their stock power numbers and the ones we're used to seeing. (Roughly 17.8%) This is based on their measured peak of 140 HP and what we normally see which is 165HP Edited: I had a mistake Here's the spreadsheet I made: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...Wc&usp=sharing Attached Images

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