Tetsuya Tada: Behind-the-scenes story on how Toyota and Subaru created the GT86 / BRZ - Page 2 - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

ayau · 02-13-2013, 05:59 PM

So from my understanding of the article, Toyota's D4S was only used because of emission requirements? The non-D4S Subaru Boxer engine still made 100bhp/liter. Are emssion standards really that important these days?

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“So the project was on again and the initial approval was for us to take the Subaru engine as it was. This was for financial reasons. We persevered but one year into the project and both sides could see that while we had a sports car, it still needed a good power level of 100bhp per litre and also an environmental target of a maximum of 160g/km of carbon dioxide emissions. With the Subaru flat four as it was we could get one and not the other. If we wanted 160g/km we only got 60bhp per litre, which meant 120bhp in total; not enough.

Spaceywilly · 02-13-2013, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by akuhei

Thanks for sharing this. Is there a link to the original? Would be nice to see where it came from.

it's from the Toyota UK blog
http://blog.toyota.co.uk/tada-how-to...eated-the-gt86

Allch Chcar · 02-13-2013, 06:08 PM

This story again? I'm 100% certain I saw this exact same article posted last week. Let me see if I can dig it back up.

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Originally Posted by MVJ1975

Yeah, I'm not sure where the whole "modified Impreza platform" came from. Even Subaru states the car shares virtually no parts with any other Subaru car. It's a unique platform.

This is an awesome article. The more I read about the car the more impressed I am that it even exists.

One of the Mules was a chopped Impreza/Legacy. It goes back to when everything was rumors.

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Originally Posted by ayau

So from my understanding of the article, Toyota's D4S was only used because of emission requirements? The non-D4S Subaru Boxer engine still made 100bhp/liter. Are emssion standards really that important these days?

Yes. Where have you been the last 10 years?

Sargy · 02-13-2013, 06:24 PM

good read!

ZetaVI · 02-13-2013, 06:55 PM

Wish this story was longer. The task of developing this car is such a huge accomplishment itself. No easy task and now it's all paying off. Respect to all the people who were part of the development.

GH05T · 02-13-2013, 07:20 PM

Awesome read

DaJo · 02-13-2013, 07:28 PM

HUGE props to the Toyota and Subaru Development team for making this a HUGE success!... And of course MAD props to Tetsuya Tada for his perseverance with this whole project!

Instant classics right off the assembly line!

R_E_L · 02-13-2013, 07:30 PM

Don't care who made it, I'm just glad it exists.

Zaku · 02-13-2013, 07:33 PM

Thanks for the good read, I remember some parts about the problems with them accepting each other earlier in the rumor mill of 2007. We've sure come a long way, and I hope these two companies will join in other ventures together.

I like to thank Kobuki san, without him and his engine expertise well we still be stuck. And Ofcourse Tada san We love you for all your efforts.

idreamofdrifting · 02-13-2013, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by avusblue

This is a really good read. Enjoy:

Tada: How Toyota and Subaru created the GT86

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+1

a very nice read. thank you!

lokvo · 02-13-2013, 07:49 PM

This was an awesome read! made me feel even more grateful that our car actually came into being. Given how many times the project itself was stalled and the several times opinions between toyota and subaru came to a head.

LeeMaster · 02-13-2013, 09:03 PM

Great story. Tetsuya Tada is truly remarkable, his side of the story is very balanced between two different automakers. Nothing like, Toyota is better or Subaru was better. As a result, this also reflects upon the car that he built, a very well balanced car.

"You are what you build"

coyote · 02-13-2013, 09:12 PM

Toyota were smart to put him on this project.

He is a very good PR man.

ImperiousRex · 02-13-2013, 10:08 PM

What a great article! I love how candid he is with the stages of development and open with what they had to go through.

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ZetaVI Gundam Meister Join Date: Oct 2011 Drives: A Gundam Location: Westchester County, NY Posts: 2,685 Thanks: 320 Thanked 1,010 Times in 510 Posts Mentioned: 9 Post(s)	Wish this story was longer. The task of developing this car is such a huge accomplishment itself. No easy task and now it's all paying off. Respect to all the people who were part of the development.

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LeeMaster Red wine Join Date: Oct 2012 Drives: Subaru BRZ(R.I.P) Location: Denied Posts: 1,176 Thanks: 1,268 Thanked 342 Times in 240 Posts Mentioned: 13 Post(s)	Great story. Tetsuya Tada is truly remarkable, his side of the story is very balanced between two different automakers. Nothing like, Toyota is better or Subaru was better. As a result, this also reflects upon the car that he built, a very well balanced car. "You are what you build" __________________

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