general frameless window issue question

[chenshuo]

so i've been hearing a lot of window issues with the twins due to the fact that it's frameless and does the auto up/down dance when opening the door. BUT, this is not the first car that implemented this frameless feature. I've seen BMWs, Mustangs, Hyundais that have frameless windows. My question is, do all those cars experience the same problems that the 86 owners are experiencing? or is the 86 so poorly made?

[Mac1235]

Originally Posted by chenshuo

so i've been hearing a lot of window issues with the twins due to the fact that it's frameless and does the auto up/down dance when opening the door. BUT, this is not the first car that implemented this frameless feature. I've seen BMWs, Mustangs, Hyundais that have frameless windows. My question is, do all those cars experience the same problems that the 86 owners are experiencing? or is the 86 so poorly made?

Poorly made is a harh word. This is their first generation model, it seems a lot of people assumed it would be perfect which means they have never owned a first generation model before, they are never perfect and usually have defects. This particular one seems to be aggrevated by the colder temperatures and moisture. The issue here is a mix of the angle that the window closes at and the rubber compound itself that is being used in the weatherseal. They will either alter the rubber compound or they will alter the way it bonds to the frame to make it more secure. These are the things to expect out of a first generation and so far the fixes have been simple and hassle free, which makes this a successful launch. Hell if this is the only problem I have and it is so far (knock on wood) I am tickled pink!

[whaap]

Another advantage of living where I do. It's not an issue.

[FRiSson]

Originally Posted by whaap

Another advantage of living where I do. It's not an issue.

That's very interesting.

[ZC6BRZ]

remember that the majority of subarus have frameless windows, but this is the first subaru that does the roll down a little thingy.

[whaap]

Originally Posted by FRiSson

That's very interesting.

It was nothing more than a casual, passing comment.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by whaap

It was nothing more than a casual, passing comment.

More than that, there's a couple issues (cold shifting, anti-jam feature, crickets) that legitimately don't bother a significant portion of owners due to weather, how they drive, hell even luck of the draw.

I appreciate the members who call up corporate offices and complain about these niggling issues like rattles and clunks and the foam folding, it means a better car for the rest of us and future buyers but the bottom line is that I think over 90% of owners are extremely happy with the product and have no major complaints.

I have crickets, foam folding on passenger side, one incidence of hard start, one incidence of resistance into 2nd gear, hunting for idle, and a strange noise when at open throttle at low rpms that sounds like washers on a plastic tray vibrating and other oddities. To me nothing has even warranted a call (much less dealer tech's groping it).

Not sure where I went with this other than, yes it has issues, some are happy, some aren't, everyone has different perspective.

[Shagaliscious]

Don't worry guys, global warming will help us out. Eventually we won't have to deal with any cold temps.

[fistpoint]

ALL power windows will have more problems than roll-up windows, my issue with these cars(and the ones you mentioned) is the unnecessary EXTRA usage every single time you open the doors. That means if a problem is going to occur, it will simply occur sooner than later. That's all I'm concerned about.

[Fever]

Originally Posted by fistpoint

ALL power windows will have more problems than roll-up windows, my issue with these cars(and the ones you mentioned) is the unnecessary EXTRA usage every single time you open the doors. That means if a problem is going to occur, it will simply occur sooner than later. That's all I'm concerned about.

I just wish they would have allowed a way to easily defeat this "convenience" feature.
I will be doing the door switch ground elimination diy to stop that nonsense.

Edit: Wouldn't it be cool to have a diy to switch the whole electrical mechanism out for manual crank roll ups?

[Rayme]

It's the auto down feature that sucks for cold weather.

I had cars with framed windows that froze also..harsh weather here.

[Rayme]

Originally Posted by fistpoint

ALL power windows will have more problems than roll-up windows, my issue with these cars(and the ones you mentioned) is the unnecessary EXTRA usage every single time you open the doors. That means if a problem is going to occur, it will simply occur sooner than later. That's all I'm concerned about.

Yes, 350z's have lots of window motors going bad, they also have auto up/down entry feature.

Originally Posted by Fever

I just wish they would have allowed a way to easily defeat this "convenience" feature.
I will be doing the door switch ground elimination diy to stop that nonsense.

Edit: Wouldn't it be cool to have a diy to switch the whole electrical mechanism out for manual crank roll ups?

Basicly shitty weather makes anything more miserable. I have problem with those stupid whip antenna they still use on the fender near the windshield...that crap's in the way when you are scrapping your windshield, the worst outdoor activity there is by the way lol

[MrTranxD]

I had a flyer on my window and opened my door without taking it off. The flyer fell inside the door because of the auto-down feature. So dumb.

[grodenglaive]

Had the auto roll-down-a-smidge feature on my previous car (MINI); that window froze shut lots of times, although I never had to reset it. It just happened once with the FR-S so far, so it's not a big deal IMO. The materials could probably be improved for cold weather use though.