Scion FR-S / FT-86 / Subaru BRZ Specs and Options. 200hp / 151 lb-ft tq

[tripjammer]

Originally Posted by ryridesmotox

I'll take your word for it on that which sucks. I'll plan on ordering mine quite early if that is the case.

Originally Posted by nickatdunning

As for scion pure pricing don't get too excited about discounts, it won't happen...every scion sale has to be sent to Toyota, including the price, and any options the customer had installed , they are very strict( I do some of the paperwork) , and heavy fines will be put on the dealership if they sell scions for different prices to people. The only way you will see discounts is if the dealership gave the same discount to every customers. So if a dealer decided to sell all of there fr-s' at $500 below sticker they can do that, but can never offer it for more or less than $500 off sticker.

So we are not gonna see frs price gouging? Awesome! I will pay msrp or below.

[Allch Chcar]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

For participating dealers:

http://www.military.com/off-duty/par...-discount.html

Hmmm. >.> This will prove, useful. I just need to take care of a medical bill then.

Originally Posted by Neutral_Eyes

TBH, I'm not really sure, I'm kinda medicated today so I might just be posting out of my ass. This thread is moving way faster than any other I've seen here, too. It started with a purpose, but probably resolved itself a page or two (depending on PPP) ago. Don't mind me. I think the general point was if my Miata can move around on the streets just fine, this will too. Carry on!



Didn't notice that! Need bore x stroke! C'mon 86mm x 86mm!

No problem!

86mmx86mm does equal 1997cc not 1995cc. cool beans.

[NESW20]

a few comments.

i'm really liking these specs. this could translate to a truly epic car.

to the people complaining about the lack of torque, how much were you *really* expecting from a 2.0L n/a engine???

to the people complaining that the torque peak is too high, let's wait and see what the curve looks like. as serialk11r said, maybe it has an extremely flat curve up to the peak at 6600rpm.

can't wait to take one for a drive...

[[es vi: eks]]

That was an epic read lol.
Fantastic news so far.

[old greg]

Originally Posted by Neutral_Eyes

Need bore x stroke! C'mon 86mm x 86mm!

Originally Posted by Allch Chcar

86mmx86mm does equal 1997cc not 1995cc. cool beans.

Actually, it equals 1998cc and as near as I can tell, 86x86 is the only reasonable combo that does. As far as I'm concerned, 86x86 is confirmed.

[n2oinferno]

Originally Posted by RRnold

I believe that is how Scion is going to set it for the US/Canada... hubcaps, with 2 speakers, unpainted bumpers, halogen lights, cheap looking interior for 20K. The rest will be up to you and what you want to add.

I really doubt that. Going from the over-the-top FR-S concept to a car that hasn't even been fully painted is going to alienate most of their market. Sure the car may be an enthusiast's car at heart, but there will be plenty of people that want one because "hey, that's the new cool Scion."

Originally Posted by nickatdunning

As for scion pure pricing don't get too excited about discounts, it won't happen...every scion sale has to be sent to Toyota, including the price, and any options the customer had installed , they are very strict( I do some of the paperwork) , and heavy fines will be put on the dealership if they sell scions for different prices to people. The only way you will see discounts is if the dealership gave the same discount to every customers. So if a dealer decided to sell all of there fr-s' at $500 below sticker they can do that, but can never offer it for more or less than $500 off sticker.

I saw a Release Series xD that sat on the lot for months and months, and they knocked about two grand off of the price and advertised it as such. I don't foresee this car sitting around (though, if it's not really low production, who knows) long enough to warrant a price drop on the tag, but it wouldn't be the first time it happened.

[subatoy]

Originally Posted by NESW20

a few comments.

i'm really liking these specs. this could translate to a truly epic car.

to the people complaining about the lack of torque, how much were you *really* expecting from a 2.0L n/a engine???

to the people complaining that the torque peak is too high, let's wait and see what the curve looks like. as serialk11r said, maybe it has an extremely flat curve up to the peak at 6600rpm.

can't wait to take one for a drive...

in my case having an NA engine was excatly my concern because of the lack of torque. as much as I want this car I'm really not happy with the engine option. 200hp is fine as long as it had 200lb tq like the GTI which
feels faster than it actually is.
Even Honda decided so stop using their low torque engine on the Civic SI.
they might be great track cars but they are a pain to live with in the real world.
If I get this car I'll have to supercharge it or turbocharge but then I'll have to deal with unreliability.

[Allch Chcar]

Originally Posted by old greg

Actually, it equals 1998cc and as near as I can tell, 86x86 is the only reasonable combo that does. As far as I'm concerned, 86x86 is confirmed.

((8.6 / 2)^2) * 3.14 * 8.6 * 4 = 1997.21584

[serialk11r]

Originally Posted by Allch Chcar

((8.6 / 2)^2) * 3.14 * 8.6 * 4 = 1997.21584

If you use 3.14159 for pi, that figure goes up by 1/2000 Aka, ~1998.

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by serialk11r

If you use 3.14159 for pi, that figure goes up by 1/2000 Aka, ~1998.

You paid attention in math/physics regarding rounding error. Good job! :happy0180:

[serialk11r]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

You paid attention in math/physics regarding rounding error. Good job! :happy0180:

lol, second instinct, I never pay attention in class :P I'm actually surprised, I haven't dealt with NUMBERS in forever. (you may know, real math has almost nothing to do with numbers)

[PuGZoR]

Don't know if this has been mentioned or not, but this is more likely from a sales manual rather than a technical one. Why would they have a comparison for a technical manual? Toyota have kindly provided the 3 main cars they think the FT86 will compete with: MX5, RX8 and CR-Z. Hope that this doesn't mean this is the price point they'll be targeting too (as these 3 cars are retardedly expensive in Australia).

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by PuGZoR

Don't know if this has been mentioned or not, but this is more likely from a sales manual rather than a technical one. Why would they have a comparison for a technical manual? Toyota have kindly provided the 3 main cars they think the FT86 will compete with: MX5, RX8 and CR-Z. Hope that this doesn't mean this is the price point they'll be targeting too (as these 3 cars are retardedly expensive in Australia).

Aren't most things expensive in Australia compared to the rest of the world?

[old greg]

Originally Posted by serialk11r

If you use 3.14159 for pi, that figure goes up by 1/2000 Aka, ~1998.

And if you use 3.1415926535, you get 1998.229

Originally Posted by tranzformer

Aren't most things expensive in Australia compared to the rest of the world?

Vegemite is way cheaper there.