Scion FR-S / FT-86 / Subaru BRZ Specs and Options. 200hp / 151 lb-ft tq

[RRnold]

Originally Posted by tripjammer

We want the higher end spec...You want the front LED clearance lights, front fog lights, standard HIDS, leather steering wheel, aluminum pedals, . auto climate control, High spec frabric, auto alarm, Auto on\off lights, 6 speakers audio (low spec has 2 speakers), white rev counter with shift light and sport pedals. Top spec also has "smart entry and start" plus digital speedo and tach. Oh and it has the better brakes. Sure it is 45 pounds more in weight for the High Spec...but what is 45 pounds? nothing...

Would you rather have a fully loaded car at one premium price or a base model car at low price where you can add each accessory invidually?

I'd rather have the ability to pick and choose which options I want instead of paying pull price and having options that I wouldn't prefer.

I believe that is how Scion is going to set it for the US/Canada... hubcaps, with 2 speakers, unpainted bumpers, halogen lights, cheap looking interior for 20K. The rest will be up to you and what you want to add.

Originally Posted by ryridesmotox

There are 2 theories on break in procedure... #1 drive it like a granny for a few thousand miles... #2 drive it easy for a bit and seat the valves, springs, rings, bearings, etc etc then, change the oil to a break in specific oil, then , run the nucking futs out of it, then as soon as you break 1500 miles you change the oil again and drive it like a normal everyday car. There is supporting arguments for both but I would say, do it how Toyota recommends in the books so you have no warranty issues.

They are run the engine extensively prior to leaving the factory so there is no real benefit with either 1 or 2. I would suggest the Mototune method or just keep the engine loaded for the first hundred miles and then change the oil.

[tripjammer]

Originally Posted by 4agze

Man this is better than a base model S15


I'm even compairing this to a S15 base model non turbo

Nissan Silvia (S15)
Engine*2.0 L DOHC-I4 (SR20DE), 165 PS*
6-speed manual
Wheelbase*99.4 in (2,525 mm)
Length 175 in (4,445 mm)
Width 66.7 in (1,694 mm)
Height 50.6 in (1,285 mm)
Curb weight 2650–2800 lb (1200–1270 kg)

Nissan so needs to bring the Silvia back...use that 1.6 liter DI turbo 4 from the Juke! Oh but wait...there is a new 2.5 liter I4 Supercharged engine going into the next Altima...hmmmm might be too heavy...I say go with the 1.6 liter DI turbo 4 in the next Silvia. Call it the Silvia S16. LOL!

Nissan will do it...

Also Hyundai...will put in the 2.0 liter turbo from the Sonata...with 275 HP into the base Genny coupe....

I think we got a war starting...

[ryridesmotox]

Originally Posted by RRnold

Would you rather have a fully loaded car at one premium price or a base model car at low price where you can add each accessory invidually?

I'd rather have the ability to pick and choose which options I want instead of paying pull price and having options that I wouldn't prefer.

They are run extensively prior to leaving the factory so there is no real benefit with either 1 or 2. I would suggest the Mototune method or just keep the engine loaded for the first hundred miles and then change the oil.

Oh I completely agree... I would rather pick and choose every option myself.

And I was speaking of more like race motors I kinda posted that as a generalization, didn't mean for any misunderstanding fellas... You are correct, the motors are run and tested after the build.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by RRnold

They are run the engine extensively prior to leaving the factory so there is no real benefit with either 1 or 2. I would suggest the Mototune method or just keep the engine loaded for the first hundred miles and then change the oil.

And the people at the docks beat the living shit out of them between the unloading area and storage/shipping areas too.

Do companies really use break in oil? Last I knew that was a myth. Freshly built motors show similar UOA results because of the assembly lube, not a special oil.

I've beaten the shit out of new cars and slowly increased the level of beating for the first several hundred (800-1000) miles. I never noticed one do anything more than the other.. if anything the one I beat the shit out of burnt less oil (common for vtec hondas) on track.

[ryridesmotox]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

And the people at the docks beat the living shit out of them between the unloading area and storage/shipping areas too.

Do companies really use break in oil? Last I knew that was a myth. Freshly built motors show similar UOA results because of the assembly lube, not a special oil.

I've beaten the shit out of new cars and slowly increased the level of beating for the first several hundred (800-1000) miles. I never noticed one do anything more than the other.. if anything the one I beat the shit out of burnt less oil (common for vtec hondas) on track.

Yea on all my dirt bike motors, I ran the hell out of them from day 1 no problems. Ran my cobalt reasonably hard, no problems.

[Dragonitti]

No one can fit in the rear unless you are a small child, so I'm thinking Carbon Fiber rear seat Delete. Weight saving and looks good.

Originally Posted by tranzformer

I agree that a small ball bearing turbo would be nice, but if TRD came out with a supercharger that would be very tempting.

Not if you had one on a Scion tC. Epic Fail.

[KevinDuMa]

I think there's a good chance Toyota will name this car the Fr-S in other markets besides the U.S. It make's sense and would be less confusion rather people thinking there's 3 cars there will be only two, the Toyota/Scion Fr-S and the Subaru BRZ.

[SCIONIZED]

Many on here were concerned with the price. Does the fact that this sheet says the car requires the more expensive premium unleaded change your mind? The extra cost adds up at the end of the year. Why does a 4 cylider require "premium unleaded"? Many cars that say they need premium can run just fine on regular unleaded.

[tripjammer]

Originally Posted by RRnold

Would you rather have a fully loaded car at one premium price or a base model car at low price where you can add each accessory invidually?

I'd rather have the ability to pick and choose which options I want instead of paying pull price and having options that I wouldn't prefer.

I believe that is how Scion is going to set it for the US/Canada.. hub capped version, with 2 speakers, unpainted bumpers, halogen lights, cheap interior for 20K. The rest will be up to you to decide.



They are run extensively prior to leaving the factory so there is no real benefit with either 1 or 2. I would suggest the Mototune method or just keep the engine loaded for the first hundred miles and then change the oil.

Its Scion bro...it don't work that way. Go to www.scion.com and check out any of their cars. They pretty much come equipped.

All you can choose is auto or stick and some accessories...They will do the same with the FRS. It will be the HI-Spec model...and they will price it at about 24K for the manual, and 25K for the Auto. Why? Because automatic Scions cost about $1000 more than the stick versions. I just used the tC as an example.

Stuff that is in the Hi-Spec model is what most people would want standard in a FR-S. But they might make a difference in the way they sell the FR-S. But I doubt it. Now go to Toyota.com and it is totally different. There are so many options that it is crazy.

[ryangt]

Originally Posted by KevinDuMa

I think there's a good chance Toyota will name this car the Fr-S in other markets besides the U.S. It make's sense and would be less confusion rather people thinking there's 3 cars there will be only two, the Toyota/Scion Fr-S and the Subaru BRZ.

Well there other markets in EU and Japan and Aus or w/e they dont have scion so there will still be only 2 cars for them, one from toyota one from subaru. NA will only be getting 2 cars one form scion and one from subaru. I think toyota will name the car something else not the fr-s because it doesnt fit their name style unlike scion which it fits just fine.

[tripjammer]

Originally Posted by ryridesmotox

Oh I completely agree... I would rather pick and choose every option myself.

And I was speaking of more like race motors I kinda posted that as a generalization, didn't mean for any misunderstanding fellas... You are correct, the motors are run and tested after the build.

Not gonna happen with Scion..but maybe with the BRZ...

[Mr.Jay]

soo much new info just need the car now

[RRnold]

Originally Posted by ryridesmotox

Oh I completely agree... I would rather pick and choose every option myself.

Seeing how Scions are sold, it'll only makes sense. I'm just curious as to how much those accessories are going to cost and much the "no haggle pricing" will factor in.

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

And the people at the docks beat the living shit out of them between the unloading area and storage/shipping areas too.

Do companies really use break in oil? Last I knew that was a myth. Freshly built motors show similar UOA results because of the assembly lube, not a special oil.

I've beaten the shit out of new cars and slowly increased the level of beating for the first several hundred (800-1000) miles. I never noticed one do anything more than the other.. if anything the one I beat the shit out of burnt less oil (common for vtec hondas) on track.

Don't forget the dude at the dealership who washes and puts a full tank of gas prior to delivery! He'll romp on it to and from the gas station

I heard that Honda didn't have a break in oil but uses an oil with a lot more additives and friction modifers from the factory.

[JustAnotherNumber]

Originally Posted by SCIONIZED

Many on here were concerned with the price. Does the fact that this sheet says the car requires the more expensive premium unleaded change your mind? The extra cost adds up at the end of the year. Why does a 4 cylider require "premium unleaded"? Many cars that say they need premium can run just fine on regular unleaded.

I'm just guessing here, so don't flame me if i'm wrong, but i'd assume it requires premium because it's a performance orientated 4 cyclinder rather than an eco 4 cyclinder. It's like the Mustang GT. They have it tuned for regular or higher octane gasoline. However, there are rumors it will be moving to just the higher octane for higher HP values. It just depends how they have the car tuned from the factory.

Again, please correct me if I have misspoken.