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[dsmx17]

Originally Posted by CyberFormula

but what if you compare Time attack with Drag racing...where longevity isn't an issue.

compare/contrast

Time attack:
Turning (ratios, chambers), braking components, suspension, shifting, timing of shifting/braking/accelerating, smoothness, early/late/ideal line, tire choices, aerodynamics, weight distribution, total weight, chassis stiffness.

Drag racing:
Input here... Everything you just said for time attack (even small amounts of steering wheel input aka turning)


I kinda understand your point about high powered cars, and that it takes alot of skills to control. But almost anybody can drive a moderate pace in any form of racing and call it a day. Therefore this comparison should be "all out" fastest time type of activity. There is just much more involved when you have to turn the steering wheel and account for different temperatures, brake materials, and tactic in deciding which line to take (which there are too many possibilities in a road course), which would determine an overall time. In drag racing, alof of stuff matter in controlling the high powered car and keep it going straight, but no real "tactic" ...but more so Skill and experience with handling the car in my perspective of drag racing.

Then we have to agree to disagree.

[Gixxersixxerman]

I think the point is, drag racing isn't as simple as just putting the the pedal all the way down, just as driving a road course isn't as simple as when you get to the corner, turn the wheel.. Both require a set skill.. Sure low powered cars at a strip are not hard to run down that straight piece of pavement.. Just as I'm sure a 50hp crappy 3 cyl. Would be just as boring running around VIR.. You always see people saying drag racing is boring.. And such.. It's really not its a lot of fun.. Why care about your 0-60. And stuff if you don't exploit it legally at a strip.. If you've never been to a strip you should try it some time.. Just as I tell friends that have never been to a road course.. Try it sometime.. It's a ton of fun.. I could run the strip Friday night and streets of willow Saturday because I enjoy both..

[CyberFormula]

I believe nascar is more boring than drag racing.

What is exciting about nascar however are the pit stops.

With the drag racing, there aint' no Early/Late/Ideal line. The most ideal line is the straigtest you can keep the car. As for stopping, unless i don't know enough, i thought that is almost irrelevant as long as you come to a safe stop after you hit the trap. As for turning ratios, not sure how that is relevant much either.

all forms of sports require skills. But to say there is "more tactic (decisions)" to make in drag racing compared to time attack (can't even compare to circuit as you'll have pit stop as well as decisions to conserve fuel, tires, Rain conditions), is kinda tough at least coming from me. So I would like to learn more from you as to what are the tactics involved FROM THE DRIVER, rather than the decisions as to how to build the car.

[armythug]

Even though he got punked on video you gotta give props to his girl for having his back....Unless she dumped him after that.

[LSxJunkie]

Originally Posted by CyberFormula

I believe nascar is more boring than drag racing.

What is exciting about nascar however are the pit stops.

With the drag racing, there aint' no Early/Late/Ideal line. The most ideal line is the straigtest you can keep the car. As for stopping, unless i don't know enough, i thought that is almost irrelevant as long as you come to a safe stop after you hit the trap. As for turning ratios, not sure how that is relevant much either.

all forms of sports require skills. But to say there is "more tactic (decisions)" to make in drag racing compared to time attack (can't even compare to circuit as you'll have pit stop as well as decisions to conserve fuel, tires, Rain conditions), is kinda tough at least coming from me. So I would like to learn more from you as to what are the tactics involved FROM THE DRIVER, rather than the decisions as to how to build the car.

In drag racing, there's a groove, and it's hard to keep a car that doesn't want to go straight in it. This happens on road courses too. The most common line will rubber up and you may find more grip there than on what would normally be your fastest line because your fastest line may be covered in marbles.

Tactics for drag racing? Launch RPM, tire pressure, burnout length (too long and the tires go from sticky to greasy), shift points, reaction times (staging battles), where/when to lift and if to brake (bracket racing).

[dsmx17]

Originally Posted by CyberFormula

"more tactic (decisions)"

I dont recall saying that?

[CyberFormula]

Originally Posted by dsmx17

I dont recall saying that?

"is kinda tough at least coming from me. "


And thanks LSx , that's what i was looking for.

[ashtray]

Is anyone else here trapping 115 in the 1/8th? No? I didn't think so. So y'all better shut up.

My BRZ is the Limited one with the spoiler! Factory!! The government made them put the spoiler on that model bc of how fast it goes. I haven't taken it to the track, but I'm pretty sure my car runs the quarter in the 6's. Stock. Racing against anyone is a waste of my time though bc no one could keep up with me.

(I wonder if The Flash ever had this problem. "I'll race you down and back and beat you before you even leave the line. See? I just did it. I'm just so fast you couldn't see it. I'll do it again, don't blink. Ok, you see it that time? No? What?! No really, I run the speed of light... never mind. I'm going home. I'm back. I got bored. This is a wasted super power if no one can see me use it!")

[dsmx17]

Originally Posted by ashtray

Is anyone else here trapping 115 in the 1/8th? No? I didn't think so. So y'all better shut up.

My BRZ is the Limited one with the spoiler! Factory!! The government made them put the spoiler on that model bc of how fast it goes. I haven't taken it to the track, but I'm pretty sure my car runs the quarter in the 6's. Stock. Racing against anyone is a waste of my time though bc no one could keep up with me.

(I wonder if The Flash ever had this problem. "I'll race you down and back and beat you before you even leave the line. See? I just did it. I'm just so fast you couldn't see it. I'll do it again, don't blink. Ok, you see it that time? No? What?! No really, I run the speed of light... never mind. I'm going home. I'm back. I got bored. This is a wasted super power if no one can see me use it!")

Its funny how close you are to my slip 5.95 @ 115mph in the 1/8 and 9.28 1/4 mile @161

[BRZranger]

Originally Posted by armythug

Even though he got punked on video you gotta give props to his girl for having his back....Unless she dumped him after that.

She was loyal to him to a fault, he's obviously a moron. But she might also be the type that gets him into bad situations, talking him up, like Sarah Silverman in 'The Way of the Gun" haha.

Sadly, she's probably running around with his baby inside her...

[ashtray]

They see me trollin'
They laughin'
All bc they know I'm just white and nerdy.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by LSxJunkie

In drag racing, there's a groove, and it's hard to keep a car that doesn't want to go straight in it. This happens on road courses too. The most common line will rubber up and you may find more grip there than on what would normally be your fastest line because your fastest line may be covered in marbles.

Tactics for drag racing? Launch RPM, tire pressure, burnout length (too long and the tires go from sticky to greasy), shift points, reaction times (staging battles), where/when to lift and if to brake (bracket racing).

Has anyone covered how fucking squirrelly slicks get on hard launches with big power?

And maybe an explanation that there is a massive differences between 11s and 9s would help. My buddy drags a Supra. When he was 600ish whp he was in the 11s. It took him well over 800 whp to just crack into the 9s. That's a big difference in how the car acts.

[dsmx17]

Originally Posted by Dimman

Has anyone covered how fucking squirrelly slicks get on hard launches with big power?

I pretty much gave up on explaining, because im sure road racing is twice as hard for whatever reasoning.

[LSxJunkie]

Originally Posted by Dimman

Has anyone covered how fucking squirrelly slicks get on hard launches with big power?

And maybe an explanation that there is a massive differences between 11s and 9s would help. My buddy drags a Supra. When he was 600ish whp he was in the 11s. It took him well over 800 whp to just crack into the 9s. That's a big difference in how the car acts.

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