Innovate Motorsports Twin Screw Supercharger Kit for FR-S/BRZ

[DBee]

Originally Posted by Jeff86

This article here says they made 162kw which translates to about 220whp (Bullet being the original manufacturer).

http://www.carsales.com.au/news/spor...rcharged-34393

This article does mention the Laminova cooler, though, and it is unclear whether those results utilized it. I remember reading somewhere a while back when Bullet originally fit the Sprintex that they made around that power level then. I don't believe they had employed any cooling yet, but I can't find a link to that information now.

Hopefully when John starts creating calibrations for these, he'll present dynos of both stage 1 and stage 2.

Their baseline in that article was also only 106kW, so that's a significant gain. I'd be pleasantly surprised if the stage 1 kit can offer +75whp.

[sandman126]

Originally Posted by rice_classic

[nonicname]

well AVO just made my decision so much easier.
Innovate it is!

[cruzinbill]

Originally Posted by nonicname

well AVO just made my decision so much easier.
Innovate it is!

how did they do that?

[Sportsguy83]

Originally Posted by nonicname

well AVO just made my decision so much easier.
Innovate it is!

Originally Posted by cruzinbill

how did they do that?

I don't get it either.. As Paul said, you can still get the AVO kit without coating.. so what changed?

[nonicname]

if so many people are adding ceramic coating to Avo's kit is because they are all afraid of introducing too much heat with the turbo. the ceramic coating IS the way to go but it makes the kit $1,150 more expensive that this twin screw which already doesn't introduce as much heat to the engine bay.

for $4,400 I can have this SC completely installed and running with the ECU map.

[industrial]

Originally Posted by nonicname

if so many people are adding ceramic coating to Avo's kit is because they are all afraid of introducing too much heat with the turbo. the ceramic coating IS the way to go but it makes the kit $1,150 more expensive that this twin screw which already doesn't introduce as much heat to the engine bay.

for $4,400 I can have this SC completely installed and running with the ECU map.

Maybe there is a reason why this kit is so cheap? I mean, it's the cheapest FI kit by far. If it was so great on it's own, I would think they wouldn't have to market it as aggressively. Just speculating since we have no data. The AVO kit price is slowly creeping closer to the more complete kits out there like the nice one from Full Blown.

[MattF]

Originally Posted by industrial

Maybe there is a reason why this kit is so cheap? I mean, it's the cheapest FI kit by far. If it was so great on it's own, I would think they wouldn't have to market it as aggressively. Just speculating since we have no data. The AVO kit price is slowly creeping closer to the more complete kits out there like the nice one from Full Blown.

The reason it is cheaper is because it is less components. There is no hand made manifold or intercooler like with the full blown kit. No additional oil pump, oil lines etc like with the avo kit. The really only expensive part of this kit is the blower. The manifold is most likely injection molded or something similar. Which after the initial setup cost is cheap to mass produce. This kit is around the same price as the Jackson racing or comptech chargers are for the k series Honda motors. I don't think it is because they produce a lower quality product then say avo or full blown. However with avos price going north of 4400 I don't know why anyone would choice it over full blowns kit. This appears to be a great product at an awesome price at any rate.

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[MattF]

Originally Posted by Sportsguy83

I don't get it either.. As Paul said, you can still get the AVO kit without coating.. so what changed?

Avo made the ceramic coating standard or that is what I remember reading in one of the Avo threads.

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[Sportsguy83]

Originally Posted by nonicname

if so many people are adding ceramic coating to Avo's kit is because they are all afraid of introducing too much heat with the turbo.

I think you are making some bold assumptions here. Most people are adding it because its a good value, not because of fear. You can get it non-coated and wrap it.. In the end of the day it doesn't really matter. We are all going to get whatever FI option we personally like.

/END

[Sportsguy83]

Originally Posted by MattF

Avo made the ceramic coating standard or that is what I remember reading in one of the Avo threads.

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From AVO's thread: HERE

Originally Posted by AVOturboworld

We will have without ceramic coating as an option for the original price, it's just become a special order item, instead of the ceramic coating being the special order.

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[nonicname]

Originally Posted by Sportsguy83

I think you are making some bold assumptions here. Most people are adding it because its a good value, not because of fear. You can get it non-coated and wrap it.. In the end of the day it doesn't really matter. We are all going to get whatever FI option we personally like.

/END

I'm not a fan of the wrap. it stinks (smell) it looks like crap, it gets nasty.
It's my nature to like quality looking things.
I've always been torn between this SC and AVO's turbo. this SC should retain throttle response a lot better than any turbo and I've always been in love with the whine. what makes me anxious is that I know AVO is a reputable company with a GREAT authority on making turbos for boxers while these guys can't release data or keep a thread alive with the lack of engagement with the community.

I won't decide anything til I see real AMERICAN dyno numbers with american gas.

[Supermassive]

Just a heads up, unless you have some background taking this car apart, this isn't an install that is that easy, removing the intake manifold on this car is actually pretty involved and requires you to remove quite a bit of stuff to do so. For those who want this kit thinking it's gonna be easy to install you may want to take a good look at how comfortable you are pulling apart the fuel lines and rails, if you have the tools, and how comfortable you are with vacuum lines.

Yes this kit is fairly simple as far as total installed components, but it's still a lot more work than popping in a set of coilovers or successfully installing headers. I'm mechanically adept and am not looking forward to this weekend's project of removing the intake manifold from my car to do some reinstallation of vacuum lines for my turbo kit to fix some routing that i did to get it running last minute before Visconti came over to my place.

Just wanted to make sure people are actually understanding that this isn't a job that the average joe who happens to own a wrench can do without help. Not saying it isn't possible, but that it's not easy like everyone is saying. Hell my turbo install was technically a cake walk, until i started routing vacuum lines and wiring gauges. The actual hardest part of my install was dealing with the fuel pump and drivers side injectors.

Excited to see this kit's numbers, I've always liked PD superchargers!

[Supermassive]

Originally Posted by nonicname

if so many people are adding ceramic coating to Avo's kit is because they are all afraid of introducing too much heat with the turbo. the ceramic coating IS the way to go but it makes the kit $1,150 more expensive that this twin screw which already doesn't introduce as much heat to the engine bay.

for $4,400 I can have this SC completely installed and running with the ECU map.

Yes the ceramic coating is a huge boon to the turbo world, my headers and downpipe are ceramic coated and I have seen with my own hands and eyes that the amount of radiant heat coming off of both is negligible, my engine bay is slightly warmer and my accessory belt is also barely warm after really pushing my car. The pipe does get hot but the coating reduces radiant heat by a huge margin. Coupling this with my vented hood, my engine bay really is only slightly warmer with my P&L kit running.