Innovate Motorsports Twin Screw Supercharger Kit for FR-S/BRZ

[RallySport Direct]

I check this thread nearly every day, so I figure I would just post and subscribe to it. Keep up the great work, can't wait to see this finished


Thanks,
Rick

[Visconti]

Originally Posted by subatoy

don't be greedy! you are getting ripped by ecutek when you purchase it by yourself. they are discounting the cost not the retail price.

Wrong

[JoeBoxer]

The price of the intercooler isn't really the problem to me, it's just I personally don't want to add an electric water pump and hoses. There is nothing wrong with that just personal preference. I would rather add something like the robi spec cooling system or Perrin oil cooler and aftermarket radiator. Keeping underhood temps down would still help I think. Any input from Innovate on this?

[cruzinbill]

Originally Posted by JoeBoxer

The price of the intercooler isn't really the problem to me, it's just I personally don't want to add an electric water pump and hoses. There is nothing wrong with that just personal preference. I would rather add something like the robi spec cooling system or Perrin oil cooler and aftermarket radiator. Keeping underhood temps down would still help I think. Any input from Innovate on this?

I agree some people just dont wanna spend the whole amount right now if they dont need to. Some just wanna a lil boost in power/remove the trq dip...... and maybe have a sweet S/C under the hood.

For those tracking and all of that nonsense ya I couldnt imagine not getting the stage 2 kit.

[ft_sjo]

Originally Posted by Innovate Motorsports

-What is the relationship between the Cusco and Innovate Motorsports Kits?

Innovate Motorsports is the exclusive North American distributor and customer service center for this supercharger package. We have been intimately involved in the design and development of this kit since the beginning (and have several rapid prototypes, drawings, components and our own development car.). If you're in North America, we're here to support your use of our products full time. Cusco, a very respectable company, will be representing this product in Japan only if they decide to pursue distribution.

So is it fair to say then that is is really a Cusco product which Innovate have had some design input into? Or would you say it was a truly joint effort?

I only because your company is not well known for forced induction conversions, is this the first mass produced one?

So if Cusco might be supporting Japan, and you're only doing North America, what about the rest of the world?

[rice_classic]

Sure, keeping fluids cool is good but reducing temperature of the air isn't only good for reliability but it also increases power/efficiency, so it's kind of a double bonus.

I think I want what's not currently illustrated on the price chart which is the stage 1 kit but with the laminova aftercooler system. So I'm looking forward to that package when it becomes available (which page 1 says it will at some point).

[JP]

Originally Posted by ft_sjo

So if Cusco might be supporting Japan, and you're only doing North America, what about the rest of the world?

Sprintex the manufacturer and Bullet the original designer.

150 Units are heading to the USA from the first batch, the other 100 are going to the rest of the world: http://www.carsales.com.au/news/spor...rcharged-34393

[uspspro]

Originally Posted by JoeBoxer

The price of the intercooler isn't really the problem to me, it's just I personally don't want to add an electric water pump and hoses. There is nothing wrong with that just personal preference. I would rather add something like the robi spec cooling system or Perrin oil cooler and aftermarket radiator. Keeping underhood temps down would still help I think. Any input from Innovate on this?

Those items are are well and good, but the charge air temp is still going to be pretty high with any good amount of boost.

The IC version should allow for a fair bit more boost, thus unlocking more of the kits potential.

I had a whipple twin screw on my mk1 MR2 SC (custom install), and I was running around 15 psi. I data logged the intake temps, and they were usually around 100-110 deg F while flogging it around on a 75-80 degree day.

I never logged the temps upstream of the IC, but just feeling the pipe, it was literally so hot you couldn't touch it for longer that a split second!!! The pipe after the IC, was as those mentioned (much cooler). My IC was also air-to-water, which makes sense for the MR2. Please not that the twin screw SC was mounted to the side of the block, with inlet and outlet pipes. Which allowed the use of a standard (non-integrated) IC setup.

Once the pump was primed, I never had any trouble with the pump/lines/IC setup. I also used the same pump/heat exchanger from the mk1 MR2 on my Rotrex SC MR2 Spyder with a different IC core. Always had good intake temps even with 17psi max boost.

[swift996]

Also, correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the a chargecooler/intercooler provide denser air? It's not just about running cooler engine temps, it's a more efficient/more powerful combination.

It probably comes down to your goals. For me an extra $1200 is worth it, but for some people I'm sure it isn't.

[swift996]

Originally Posted by JoeBoxer

The price of the intercooler isn't really the problem to me, it's just I personally don't want to add an electric water pump and hoses. There is nothing wrong with that just personal preference. I would rather add something like the robi spec cooling system or Perrin oil cooler and aftermarket radiator. Keeping underhood temps down would still help I think. Any input from Innovate on this?

I hear you too. The reason I like this system compared to a turbo is that it reduces the amount of additional components and systems/modifications to systems.

It looks to me that it will just be an external electric water pump. At least the design is simple and if the pump failed, it would be easy to spot.

[Jeff86]

Originally Posted by swift996

Also, correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the a chargecooler/intercooler provide denser air? It's not just about running cooler engine temps, it's a more efficient/more powerful combination.

It probably comes down to your goals. For me an extra $1200 is worth it, but for some people I'm sure it isn't.

Definitely. Adding the cooler is really about adding power more than anything. All I've been saying is that I've had an uncooled blower that was less efficient than this one and it made plenty of reliable power. Most of us aren't looking to run 15-17psi on this car. Just add the power we feel the car should have had from the factory and maintain the overall balance. I believe the uncooled option will deliver this.

[JoeBoxer]

Originally Posted by Jeff86

Definitely. Adding the cooler is really about adding power more than anything. All I've been saying is that I've had an uncooled blower that was less efficient than this one and it made plenty of reliable power. Most of us aren't looking to run 15-17psi on this car. Just add the power we feel the car should have had from the factory and maintain the overall balance. I believe the uncooled option will deliver this.

Exactly, i would run no more than 7psi non intercooled and figured the oil cooler and radiator would just add a little piece of mind if nothing else.

Hopefully Innovate will show us some of the IAT temps they have logged and we can monitor our own with Ecutek. Just thought of wrapping the intake tube with a heat reflective shield and you could check the IAT's before and after to see if it did anything.

[Visconti]

Vroom!

[djliquidsteele]

Originally Posted by Visconti

Vroom!

Uh oh. Is there a video of said Vroom?