Push Button start...

[Mo707]

Originally Posted by ph0en1xtk

guess this went overlooked, so ill bump it up. Does anyone have the part number for the button itself?

Part number >http://www.advancedkeys.com/

[redKnight]

086A, for the trunk request switch, how did you wire it to make it work with the advanced keys?

[086A]

There is a trunk release output from the Advanced keys system. To make it easier I just walk up to the car and when the doors unlock the trunk request switch is active. When the doors are locked it is in-active. So I hardly use the remote to open it.

That's why I think all FRS owners should do this mod.... Super sweet!

The Dremel got away form me just a bit.... Haha!



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[Aali1011]

So this is very interesting to say the least and is helping me decide between a BRZ Limited or a FR-S. So the retrofitsource has the H.I.D retrofit kit for the car awesome one more reason to get the FR-S and save some case. Now onto the push button start and proximity key/PKE(Passive Keyless Entry) So the PKE system in the BRZ limited being utilized is the Toyota based system now as far as the immobilizer is concerned it is a Subaru based system.

My conclusion regarding this is based off how the systems work and what is needed to work with them. The PKE system works just like a Toyota/Lexus's LITERALLY. Trying to put a remote start in the FR-S/BRZ for example is a good way to explain the immobilizer system. So the immobilizer in most newer Subaru vehicles requires you to either Option A) Give up a key and use what is known as a 556uw in the industry. This module takes a key hides it inside and reads the chip from the key while the car is trying to start. The chip has lets say a "password" for the car to start. If the password isn't there you guessed it no remote start or regular start. It was very common to see people go and get keys cut from the Home Depot or Lowes after finding out how much a key from the dealership costs. So while the key fits in the door lock cylinder and can lock and unlock the car when put in the ignition cylinder it will turn and do nothing. Option B is the use of a newer bypass module which "learns" the code from the key and allows it to start. So after going through a programming procedure with one of the keys the module learns the code and then supplies the vehicle with the code when trying to remote start. Don't have to give up a expensive key but needless to say the module isn't cheap either.

Now regarding Option B the module I speak of has some tricks up its sleeve. Essentially in certain cars it can learn and replicate through data a lot of the features of the car examples are Unlock, Lock, Alarm Arm, Alarm Disarm, Fuel Door, Trunk Open etc etc etc. If it is a function that is done electronically there is a good chance the module can duplicate it through data. So the thing that sucks about the FR-S/BRZ is the module can only do one or the other so it can either be a bypass for the key or it can learn all the functions of the car and replicate them for you through data. so you may now be asking "Whats the benefit of the module replicating how to unlock my car or open the fuel door?" WELL instead of having to run a wire to that trigger its being done through data! 10x easier and a lot quicker. So essentially for remote start purposes you need two of the data based modules to make things easy at least.

So for this advanced key system to make things easier as 086A has suggested using a module to learn the key so it doesn't have to be present and another to take car of the lock and unlock and factory alarm arm and disarm. Here is what I like about this system. It has a push button start.... and that is about it. DEI(Directed Electronics) the makers of Viper, Python, Avital, Clifford and countless other brands have their own PKE system. I have yet to see it in person BUT the major thing I like about it is that is can be used in conjunction with one of their remote start/alarms or even with their crappy smart start system(The smart phone POS). Also you can have up to 3 antennas placed in the vehicle to make the detection field of the PKE. What I don't like about either system in regards to what I want to do is that you essentially need to have a car key, the proximity piece and a FOB.

I get that with the advanced key system having just the slim fob will do your starting and locking and unlocking BUT if for any given reason something goes wrong or lets the the battery dies and the system loses programming if you don't have a key you are screwed. The same goes for the DEI system. You would need the proximity piece and if you had an alarm/remote start the key for that. If the OEM system was in place you would only need the key and a fob.

I think the predicament I am in is that I want the added safety of the alarm system and the convenience of a remote start plus the PKE and not a key and two FOBs. If the remote start was the sole thing in there without the advanced key system for the push buttong start you could wire something up similar to what the S2000's had for a push button start. So key in the ignition and start the car by holding down the button. I will be following this tread carefully and seeing what options arise.

[hooman]

That TRD red button looks great!

[draggin_az]

Originally Posted by 086A

There is a trunk release output from the Advanced keys system. To make it easier I just walk up to the car and when the doors unlock the trunk request switch is active. When the doors are locked it is in-active. So I hardly use the remote to open it.

That's why I think all FRS owners should do this mod.... Super sweet!

The Dremel got away form me just a bit.... Haha!
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did you write up a "DIY"? if not, can you?

[086A]

Originally Posted by mr2lor

Can you link the website for those pieces? TIA

I purchased all of the parts from the Subaru dealership. You could look online for it also. I went to the dealer because I had to help them search for the parts I wanted.

[086A]

Alright here are some more videos I threw together. Not the best but you get the idea.....

Transponder Bypass:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SshevBRlFBQ&feature=player_detailpage"]Scion FR-S Keyless Push Start DIY Transponder Bypass - YouTube[/ame]

Door Lock Interface:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUQ9c0hWVMM&feature=player_detailpage"]Scion FR-S Keyless Push Start DIY Door Lock Interface - YouTube[/ame]

Steering Lock Bypass:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMv79GFUh-s&feature=player_detailpage"]Keyless DIY (IGN lock Mod) - YouTube[/ame]

There are other ways to do this, but this is just the way I decided to do it.

I have one more video I am working on now. (Supplement Info and the TRD Start Switch change)

I will also try to put a picture DIY for the trunk release switch. Can I just add it to the DIY section or does a MOD need to add it?

Aloha!:happy0180:

[maximumdose]

Dude, this looks sweet. Thanks for the vids!!

[WINFREDFRS]

I went to a audio store and inquired about the remote start ...they had the VIPER 5704 i think but u need to have ur valet key in the remote start thing for it to work..thats retarded and dumb..lol..anyone got a step by step on getting this done??

[Aali1011]

Originally Posted by WINFREDFRS

I went to a audio store and inquired about the remote start ...they had the VIPER 5704 i think but u need to have ur valet key in the remote start thing for it to work..thats retarded and dumb..lol..anyone got a step by step on getting this done??

This is half right. Refer to my post below that i had posted a while ago explaining how to do a system in the FR-S/BRZ to get a better understanding.

Originally Posted by Aali1011

Trying to put a remote start in the FR-S/BRZ for example is a good way to explain the immobilizer system. So the immobilizer in most newer Subaru vehicles requires you to either Option A) Give up a key and use what is known as a 556uw in the industry. This module takes a key hides it inside and reads the chip from the key while the car is trying to start. The chip has lets say a "password" for the car to start. If the password isn't there you guessed it no remote start or regular start. It was very common to see people go and get keys cut from the Home Depot or Lowes after finding out how much a key from the dealership costs. So while the key fits in the door lock cylinder and can lock and unlock the car when put in the ignition cylinder it will turn and do nothing. Option B is the use of a newer bypass module which "learns" the code from the key and allows it to start. So after going through a programming procedure with one of the keys the module learns the code and then supplies the vehicle with the code when trying to remote start. Don't have to give up a expensive key but needless to say the module isn't cheap either.

Now regarding Option B the module I speak of has some tricks up its sleeve. Essentially in certain cars it can learn and replicate through data a lot of the features of the car examples are Unlock, Lock, Alarm Arm, Alarm Disarm, Fuel Door, Trunk Open etc etc etc. If it is a function that is done electronically there is a good chance the module can duplicate it through data. So the thing that sucks about the FR-S/BRZ is the module can only do one or the other so it can either be a bypass for the key or it can learn all the functions of the car and replicate them for you through data. so you may now be asking "Whats the benefit of the module replicating how to unlock my car or open the fuel door?" WELL instead of having to run a wire to that trigger its being done through data! 10x easier and a lot quicker. So essentially for remote start purposes you need two of the data based modules to make things easy at least.

So if u are thinking about the 5704 you have to do either option A or B there is NO, I repeat NO way around it. If you do a Compustar Remote Starter you have a couple options. You have options A and B and then a modified B. So the cool thing about Compustars is that they have a proprietary bypass that plugs into them called BLADE. It literally a card that slides into the brain and does the same as the AL-CA or FLCAN. So you can essentially have the BLADE and a separate AL-CA (don't quote me on this but i don't believe that FLCAN works with Compustar brains for one reason or another not 100% on this and may be getting it confused with something else but your better off with the AL-CA anyways and they both cost the same).

From a install standpoint it is a lot more convenient since you don't have two bypasses dangling somewhere but the the caveat to this and this is strickly from a installation standpoint in that unlike DEI based products(The Viper 5704 you refer to or any Viper,Python or Clifford product) the Compustar doesn't have some internal relays so you may have to add those on which become chunky at times. The relays are important depending upon what you are doing and if your car is a manual I would suggest ignition kill be wired vs starter. So just my .02 cents. I think after reading the thread and what 086A had to do to get the features to work in the manner he wanted I think i am still forced to buy a BRZ even though dislike that front end. Now if i can get it for a good price no big deal.

[086A]

Got the TRD switch installed!


One thing I found out about the swap from the Advanced keys system. The newer Toyota's use a different switch type. When I ordered the switch from Japanparts I thought it would be safe to order the one for the GT86. Heads up the GT86 one does not have the status LED on it. The GT86 and BRZ limited use an LED icon in the cluster..... Damn should have bought the TRD switch with the LED indicator. If I did it would have been a direct swap.

Moral of the story if you want this switch order the one with the LED indicator......

After taking a quick look at the wiring diagram it is not that simple, because it has data sent to the cluster IC and not a simple signal wire. I haven't given up yet.... stay tuned.

Here is a pic of the FR-S icon which we have......



Here is a 2013 Rav4 for reference

[Mo707]

Originally Posted by 086A

Got the TRD switch installed!


One thing I found out about the swap from the Advanced keys system. The newer Toyota's use a different switch type. When I ordered the switch from Japanparts I thought it would be safe to order the one for the GT86. Heads up the GT86 one does not have the status LED on it. The GT86 and BRZ limited use an LED icon in the cluster..... Damn should have bought the TRD switch with the LED indicator. If I did it would have been a direct swap.

Moral of the story if you want this switch order the one with the LED indicator......

After taking a quick look at the wiring diagram it is not that simple, because it has data sent to the cluster IC and not a simple signal wire. I haven't given up yet.... stay tuned.

Here is a pic of the FR-S icon which we have......



Here is a 2013 Rav4 for reference

Dude.... I will pay you too install this in my car...

[WheelDude.com]

Originally Posted by Mo707

Dude.... I will pay you too install this in my car...

me too hahaha.