GM to make FRS rival

[Draco-REX]

Going to see these today. But honestly, I'm not concerned or excited or anything about the 130R. It looks ugly, like GM's re-styling of a 1 series, and will likely have a really high CG. The driving dynamics will likely suck compared to the twins as well. GM's baby is the Vette and they will not allow ANYTHING to threaten it's numbers. A sportscar with similar handling, even if it has 1/3 the hp, will not fly.

Not to mention that GM messed up and should have swapped bodies with that other small prototype. (I forget the codename at the moment) That FWD hybrid looks a LOT more sporty than the 130R.

[Deslock]

The 130R's 109" wheelbase diminished my enthusiasm for it.

[FR_Soldier_77]

I thought the Cobalt to be a little cheaper than 25k? Because it was competing with the Mazdaspeed 3 in the sports department? Well either way it was well done for its time, and although Chevy will attempt to make an FR-S "killer" they just wont have the proper formula for winning. GM, just keep to your vette.. its what you do best!

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by Draco-REX

Not to mention that GM messed up and should have swapped bodies with that other small prototype. (I forget the codename at the moment) That FWD hybrid looks a LOT more sporty than the 130R.

Agree x 1000. Code 130R would look fantastic with as a cab-rearward version of the other one. It looks incredibly dumb as it is. Also, consider that an FR car should have the front of the engine well aft of where it is on an FF car, so why's the 130R's nose so much higher?

Cab-rearward version of 140S would look fantastic.

[Grishbok]

Originally Posted by FR_Soldier_77

I thought the Cobalt to be a little cheaper than 25k? Because it was competing with the Mazdaspeed 3 in the sports department? Well either way it was well done for its time, and although Chevy will attempt to make an FR-S "killer" they just wont have the proper formula for winning. GM, just keep to your vette.. its what you do best!

It was, but the performance package bumped it up in price and that is what netted the 300hp+. The car is still rather impressive on the track. Its put some decent drivers to the brink of frustration.

[sho220]

Originally Posted by OmarGC

I think it kinda looks like a mini pickup truck that never finished developing it's bed while in the womb...

Think it'll be as successful as this masterpiece

Love that raked stance...wood blocks in the back?

[sho220]

Originally Posted by FR_Soldier_77

I thought the Cobalt to be a little cheaper than 25k? Because it was competing with the Mazdaspeed 3 in the sports department? Well either way it was well done for its time, and although Chevy will attempt to make an FR-S "killer" they just wont have the proper formula for winning. GM, just keep to your vette.. its what you do best!

I always thought of the Cobalt's closest competition as the Neon SRT-4...seems like the Speed3 came a little later?...

[Gearhd79]

Originally Posted by wrxgoose

it looks hideous. like a piece of chewed bubble gum. sorry GM, but you need to do something with your body styles if you wanna be competetive.

that concept is just a copy of the Bimmer one series.

P.S. I should have read the entire thread because everyone else knows that already.

This GM concept (if it ever gets built) would likelly be available after the FRS/BRZ is in it's second generation of design platform and GM will just never be able to catch up if it's car is ever even remotely capable. I really think the automotive world was caught with their "pants down" after the twins came to the market. I think Toyota and Subaru have nothing to worry about.

[Eurasianman]

Originally Posted by chuy21

Did you have the SC or TC ss? I don't feel my ss has that much body roll compared to other fwd tuner cars.

I had a 2010 SS TC. I had the same problem as this: http://www.cobaltss.net/forums/gener...roblem-222088/

[Asterisked Accolade]

Originally Posted by FR_Soldier_77

If Chevy builds this car with a V-6 they will lose sales quickly on the V-6 Camaro.. so they cant really do that.. it will hurt business. The platform will maybe use a small displacment motor with a turbo.. they did a good job on building a L4 turbo in the cobalt SS, 1.)only problem was it was FWD.. which is a fail in the handling sports department of cars. Although it 2.)was still considered nimble by a couple of magazines. But I do see some similarites to the euro designs such as BMW. America is adopting the euro look big time, both Ford and Chevy are doing it. As far as the new Corvette Stingray is concerned, I've seen it, and yes I actually consider it sexy. For some reason though.. the evolution of the car seems to lack characteristics of its predacessors. I like tradition, it keeps you intact with the rich history that the car has. Back in its Hay day, it was king you know. Now it just seems to blend in with other cars.. kinda sad.

1.) Not according to SCCA, NASA, WC, or WTCC.

2.) And by racing organizations. Cobalt SS was quite successful in SCCA and NASA. Set up well, FWD is hardly a disadvantage.




I'm actually very surprised at how many people dislike how the concept looks-- because i find myself really digging it.

[86BRZ]

From the thickness of the front, it looks like will NOT be a boxer engine inside, therefore, will NOT be low CoG, therefore will NOT be hugging to the ground, therefore will NOT be fun to drive(?). Perhaps they are going for muscle again? Turbo? 0-60? to win over some FRS/BRZ customers? I don't think GM gets it.

[Asterisked Accolade]

Originally Posted by 86BRZ

From the thickness of the front, it looks like will NOT be a boxer engine inside, therefore, will NOT be low CoG, therefore will NOT be hugging to the ground, therefore will NOT be fun to drive(?). Perhaps they are going for muscle again? Turbo? 0-60? to win over some FRS/BRZ customers? I don't think GM gets it.

It may be a little over-stating to say that because it wont have as low of a CoG as a boxer-engine car that it wont be fun to drive. Cars were fun before (after, and during) the boxer engine was around.

[Accurate Race Shop]

Originally Posted by 86BRZ

From the thickness of the front, it looks like will NOT be a boxer engine inside, therefore, will NOT be low CoG, therefore will NOT be hugging to the ground, therefore will NOT be fun to drive(?). Perhaps they are going for muscle again? Turbo? 0-60? to win over some FRS/BRZ customers? I don't think GM gets it.

I think the next little sports car they make will be a mid engine car more balanced and ground hugging than the FR-S/brz if done correctly. They can do it they proved it when they owned lotus everyone and their brother needs to buy an FR-S/brz or Gen coupe to show them the market did not die just because it has been a long time sense a truly great one was made.

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[Dimman]

Originally Posted by 86BRZ

From the thickness of the front, it looks like will NOT be a boxer engine inside, therefore, will NOT be low CoG, therefore will NOT be hugging to the ground, therefore will NOT be fun to drive(?). Perhaps they are going for muscle again? Turbo? 0-60? to win over some FRS/BRZ customers? I don't think GM gets it.

CoG is not the be-all-end-all of handling.