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10-17-2009, 10:12 AM | #43 |
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a guess: chassis is designed by toyota, engine by subaru, transmission by...
just to hone in on the chassis, subaru's chassis' are pretty heavy that this is probably what they need: a lighter design by a company known for making rather light weight cars (mr2, celica, yaris, even the corolla for that matter, and ofcourse the ae86) all under 3000lbs. i don't think subaru has a single car under 3000 lbs; so this is where they may be able to hit the 2900 curb weight, a full 200-300 lbs lighter than their average i'd say (3100 or so). as for the drivetrain, im not even sure toyota is allowed to make this AWD based on their agreement of codesign and production. subaru has been touting AWD forever now, and they still do (every model line has that option); so i don't see them ditching that philosophy anytime soon. and my guess is subaru is going to seat this new car right in place of their GT and WRX, both as AWD and b/c of the additional weight I'd say offer the option of those two similar 2.5L turbo engines. for the ft86 to even compete with that it'd have to be 2600 lbs or less, and atleast 170hp with the 2.0L NA. under all this speculation, I assume: subaru: 2.5L turbo, curb weight 2900 lbs toyota: 2.0L NA, curb 2600 lbs i'd say they are not even close to comparable cars as the talon/eagle, etc/etc were; especially with styling being so radically different |
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And considering the existing 305 hp STI costs more than a 370Z, I'd say the likelihood of your prediction coming true for the upcoming FT-86 (assuming it even gets the engine and power that people are presuming) is nil. |
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with all that said, one thing i love about this site is there are so many different types of people and car owners here not just nissan folks or honda and toyota fanboys, its a group of unique individual that are interested in the ft86 |
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10-18-2009, 06:20 AM | #46 |
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If it weighs around 2600 lbs, the FT-86 will need to make about 250 at the crank to keep up with the Z. That will almost definitely require boost...
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http://online.wsj.com/mdc/public/pag...autosales.html i'm not sure what you're trying to get at :confused: |
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that's all^ Edit: imagine this, the new legacy has as much space if not more than a camry, more trunk space than an accord, is cheaper than both, gets better gas mileage than the accord and has a bigger trunk than the accord while still being smaller in length than both cars.. and it comes with AWD for free THAT if anything will help "double" their sales |
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I never said the FR STI was uglier. Looks are subjective, anyway. I never said the FT would weigh more than the Z. Not sure why you felt the need to resort to snippy commentary. My reasoning is sound, and I certainly did not insult you. If you disagree with the logic, fine, but offer up a logical counter-argument, then. |
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Reason why I think Subaru is doing well in the U.S is because the AWD is seen as the safest route to go and I'm assuming they handle well in the snow since that's all they advertise on the radio in the winter. In the near future, China is going to be the target market for US automakers, and it's already begun. Chinese economy is on the rise and I'm predicting in the next 10 years, American-made car sales are going to sky rocket there. They love American cars in China. |
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This car is not meant to compete with the Z in the same weight/CC class, that much should be obvious to people. |
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You ever heard of the expression "cheap, fast, reliable: you can only pick two?" You might as well make another version of the same expression, using the words "cheap, light, powerful." |
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I'm not sure what this has to do with my post that you replied to. As for the '06 STI you quoted.. it cost more new back then than a 370Z does now. And it's around the same weight, but it's slower. Like I was saying...
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Comparing the FT to a Z is a moot point... Completely different weight class and vehicle dynamic.
A more appropriate comparison would be a Miata/MX5, or S2K. |
10-23-2009, 07:05 PM | #56 |
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