Rumor: BRZ to have more power than FT86.... - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

Leeky · 10-19-2011, 09:21 AM

http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsAr...llCars/259648/

Cant see this happening personally.... but stranger things have happened.

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Power outputs, however, will differ with a Subaru-spec ECU liberating the BRZ’s power to “less than 300bhp,” compared with the FT-86’s 200bhp figure.

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There are suggestions that Toyota is dusting off plans for a new Supra.

zigzagz94 · 10-19-2011, 09:36 AM

"Subaru has confirmed to Autocar that there won’t be a turbocharged version or an all-wheel-drive BRZ and a convertible version has been ruled out."

"Power outputs, however, will differ with a Subaru-spec ECU liberating the BRZ’s power to “less than 300bhp,” compared with the FT-86’s 200bhp figure. "

Near 300hp out of a NA 2.0l is not going to happen with just ECU tuning.

Enzie · 10-19-2011, 09:37 AM

my guess is the base BRZ will have around the same hp as the FT-86, but a STI version of the BRZ will have less than 300hp... just a guess though

Leeky · 10-19-2011, 09:41 AM

Yeah i can see as much as 20-30bhp on a different ECU (Assuming the Toyota ECU is very restricted) but no more.

'less than 300bhp' is such a stupid thing for them to say. 1bhp is less than 300bhp!

Unless........ a boxer engine in theory should be able to rev higher than a I4 as it has an overall more balanced rotating assembly.... so why is it the FT86 shown at the VLN only had a 7400rpm redline compared to an S2000's 9k limit? What is stopping this engine from revving!?

Could it be that Toyota have restricted the redline to keep the power down on the entry level car to then be able to release a more powerful version where its a simple ECU change to up the redline?

Another 1k on the redline would make a huge power difference.

Stop playing silly games Toyota and give us some power figures already!

Enzie · 10-19-2011, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Leeky

Stop playing silly games Toyota and give us some power figures already!

Seriously... if the TAS wasn't just over a month away, i don't know how much more of this waiting for some info I can take @_@

SUB-FT86 · 10-19-2011, 10:22 AM

I believe they are talking about a high revving 2.5l. It makes sense to have a different engine for the two models.

fred_boosted · 10-19-2011, 10:22 AM

I guess subie will have STi version of this thing...

20K - 2.0L N/A 200 bhp

24~25K - 2.5 N/A 230~240 bhp

30K - 2.0L tubro charged! 280~300 bhp

Sport package of brembo brakes and stiffer springs. about 3K~4K.

wow, can't wait...

Lets turbo charge it!

ft86cbx · 10-19-2011, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Leeky

so why is it the FT86 shown at the VLN only had a 7400rpm redline compared to an S2000's 9k limit? What is stopping this engine from revving!?

Could it be that Toyota have restricted the redline to keep the power down on the entry level car to then be able to release a more powerful version where its a simple ECU change to up the redline?

Another 1k on the redline would make a huge power difference.

I would guess its more to do with EU emission regulations more than anything.

fred_boosted · 10-19-2011, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by ft86cbx

I would guess its more to do with EU emission regulations more than anything.

It could be.

GT-R disappeared for a long is due to emission regulation in Japan.

JDMluv · 10-19-2011, 10:38 AM

from this article, since they are saying that Toyota planning for More sport cars in the future!! perhaps new Supra!! then i think this car will stay N/A. and the power range will stay from 200 to 230hp

since they are planning to make more faster sport cars later, then this car will not have a turbo version!!

secondly, i heard some rumors that after one year of production, Toyota will add more power version into the production line, or perhaps put more power in the same version!! i dont think that this will happen!! because i never saw any model from Toyota that got power increased after one or 2 years of production!!

Thirdly, i think this car will not hit the middle east! i think the Toyota Version will be RHD and the zion version will be LHD!! and since we drive LHD & we dont have zion in the middle east!! then there is no FT!! but we can import from US

Well!! its only guessing!!

lancie · 10-19-2011, 10:40 AM

about 100hp with only ecu??

Dragonitti · 10-19-2011, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Leeky

Yeah i can see as much as 20-30bhp on a different ECU (Assuming the Toyota ECU is very restricted) but no more.

'less than 300bhp' is such a stupid thing for them to say. 1bhp is less than 300bhp!

Unless........ a boxer engine in theory should be able to rev higher than a I4 as it has an overall more balanced rotating assembly.... so why is it the FT86 shown at the VLN only had a 7400rpm redline compared to an S2000's 9k limit? What is stopping this engine from revving!?

Could it be that Toyota have restricted the redline to keep the power down on the entry level car to then be able to release a more powerful version where its a simple ECU change to up the redline?

Another 1k on the redline would make a huge power difference.

Stop playing silly games Toyota and give us some power figures already!

Pics of the tac on the VLN shows a redline of 7800rpms. Tac topped out at 9k rpms though.

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Originally Posted by JDMlove

Thirdly, i think this car will not hit the middle east! i think the Toyota Version will be RHD and the zion version will be LHD!! and since we drive LHD & we dont have zion in the middle east!! then there is no FT!! but we can import from US

Well!! its only guessing!!

Wait what? There is a 3rd manufacture for this car called Zion? What's a Zion?

JDMluv · 10-19-2011, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Dragonitti

Pics of the tac on the VLN shows a redline of 7800rpms. Tac topped out at 9k rpms though.

Wait what? There is a 3rd manufacture for this car called Zion? What's a Zion?

ha ha ha ha what a funny guy

scion

SUB-FT86 · 10-19-2011, 11:07 AM

I wonder if this comes straight out the ass of autocar or do they have a inside source?

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10-19-2011, 09:36 AM	#2
zigzagz94 BRZerhood Lurker #13 Join Date: Oct 2009 Drives: 15 DGM BRZ Premium Location: charon's ferry Posts: 892 Thanks: 377 Thanked 225 Times in 128 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	"Subaru has confirmed to Autocar that there won’t be a turbocharged version or an all-wheel-drive BRZ and a convertible version has been ruled out." "Power outputs, however, will differ with a Subaru-spec ECU liberating the BRZ’s power to “less than 300bhp,” compared with the FT-86’s 200bhp figure. " Near 300hp out of a NA 2.0l is not going to happen with just ECU tuning.

10-19-2011, 09:37 AM	#3
Enzie Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Drives: 2011 Scion tC Location: South Florida Posts: 30 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	my guess is the base BRZ will have around the same hp as the FT-86, but a STI version of the BRZ will have less than 300hp... just a guess though

10-19-2011, 09:41 AM	#4
Leeky 3S-GTE Junky Join Date: May 2011 Drives: Toyota Celica GT-Four ST205 Location: England UK Posts: 165 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 2 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Yeah i can see as much as 20-30bhp on a different ECU (Assuming the Toyota ECU is very restricted) but no more. 'less than 300bhp' is such a stupid thing for them to say. 1bhp is less than 300bhp! Unless........ a boxer engine in theory should be able to rev higher than a I4 as it has an overall more balanced rotating assembly.... so why is it the FT86 shown at the VLN only had a 7400rpm redline compared to an S2000's 9k limit? What is stopping this engine from revving!? Could it be that Toyota have restricted the redline to keep the power down on the entry level car to then be able to release a more powerful version where its a simple ECU change to up the redline? Another 1k on the redline would make a huge power difference. Stop playing silly games Toyota and give us some power figures already!

10-19-2011, 10:22 AM	#6
SUB-FT86 86 Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Drives: 2013 Toyota 86 2.0T (Asphalt) Location: Atlanta, Ga Posts: 3,129 Thanks: 126 Thanked 527 Times in 296 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	I believe they are talking about a high revving 2.5l. It makes sense to have a different engine for the two models.

10-19-2011, 10:22 AM	#7
fred_boosted Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Drives: 2008 EVO X GSR (Sold) Location: USA Posts: 100 Thanks: 8 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I guess subie will have STi version of this thing... 20K - 2.0L N/A 200 bhp 24~25K - 2.5 N/A 230~240 bhp 30K - 2.0L tubro charged! 280~300 bhp Sport package of brembo brakes and stiffer springs. about 3K~4K. wow, can't wait... Lets turbo charge it!

10-19-2011, 10:38 AM	#10
JDMluv Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Drives: 07 M35X - 07 HR 350z Location: Bahrain Posts: 72 Thanks: 1 Thanked 11 Times in 7 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	from this article, since they are saying that Toyota planning for More sport cars in the future!! perhaps new Supra!! then i think this car will stay N/A. and the power range will stay from 200 to 230hp since they are planning to make more faster sport cars later, then this car will not have a turbo version!! secondly, i heard some rumors that after one year of production, Toyota will add more power version into the production line, or perhaps put more power in the same version!! i dont think that this will happen!! because i never saw any model from Toyota that got power increased after one or 2 years of production!! Thirdly, i think this car will not hit the middle east! i think the Toyota Version will be RHD and the zion version will be LHD!! and since we drive LHD & we dont have zion in the middle east!! then there is no FT!! but we can import from US Well!! its only guessing!!

10-19-2011, 10:40 AM	#11
lancie Senior Member Join Date: May 2011 Drives: brz wrb Location: italy Posts: 1,161 Thanks: 23 Thanked 87 Times in 28 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	about 100hp with only ecu??

10-19-2011, 11:07 AM	#14
SUB-FT86 86 Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Drives: 2013 Toyota 86 2.0T (Asphalt) Location: Atlanta, Ga Posts: 3,129 Thanks: 126 Thanked 527 Times in 296 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	I wonder if this comes straight out the ass of autocar or do they have a inside source?

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