Toyota FT-86 @ VLN : report / pictures

[blur]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

I said for the production car, not race car.

My guess was guess is loosely based on what my tC weighed from the factory (2900lbs) and what it weighs after I gutted it (2550lbs). Seeing as how the cage adds back in weight to the car, I estimated around 2800lbs for the car entirely.

This car weights 2450 lbs WITH a cage that likely weighs 150 lbs or more, and an air jack system. The things they took out of the interior (seat, carpet, rear bench, plastic panels, a/c, speakers) weigh 50-75 lbs at the most.

Seriously though, I can't figure out how you lost 350 lbs by simply gutting the car. Care to explain?

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by blur

This car weights 2450 lbs WITH a cage that likely weighs 150 lbs or more, and an air jack system. The things they took out of the interior (seat, carpet, rear bench, plastic panels, a/c, speakers) weigh 50-75 lbs at the most.

Seriously though, I can't figure out how you lost 350 lbs by simply gutting the car. Care to explain?

Seats are probably 50 lbs each. Maybe more if they have airbag stuff in them.

The power seat on a Supra is like 75ish pounds, no airbag.

[serialk11r]

I saw somewhere that sound deadening can weigh 100 pounds alone in a regular car, we're not talking Lexus. The full A/C system probably weighs close to 50 pounds considering all the lines are copper or steel and the compressor has a heavy steel casing.

[chulooz]

Everyone has to remember that many of the cars part's are being specifically designed with the goal of being light weight. Compared to typical cars I would expect common parts to initially weight less in a car on a diet.

[fernan2]

a roll cage 150 lbs? seriously! there's no way it's more than a 100 lbs.

[davey90]

i kinda like the futuristic white bucket seats (but in another colour) on the concept show car. If only they kept them. =P

[blur]

Originally Posted by serialk11r

I saw somewhere that sound deadening can weigh 100 pounds alone in a regular car, we're not talking Lexus. The full A/C system probably weighs close to 50 pounds considering all the lines are copper or steel and the compressor has a heavy steel casing.

Sound deadening weights in at 20 lbs on my car, and will likely not even show up on this car from the rumors. A/c systems weigh no where near that on sports cars, a/c delete is usually a 25 lb weight savings. And as for seats, they will be manual, weighing in at about 35-40 lbs each with the rails. Air bags weigh about 10 lbs each I believe.

This isn't a regular car, it's a lightweight sports car. It comes from factory with lightweight components. Weight reduction will not be as easy as it is on highway cruisers.

@ fernan, it's likely to be over 200 lbs. I'm being conservative.

[Dragonitti]

Originally Posted by blur

This car weights 2450 lbs WITH a cage that likely weighs 150 lbs or more, and an air jack system. The things they took out of the interior (seat, carpet, rear bench, plastic panels, a/c, speakers) weigh 50-75 lbs at the most.

Seriously though, I can't figure out how you lost 350 lbs by simply gutting the car. Care to explain?

Sorry dude, Seats, carpet, rear bench, platic panels, a/C and speakers = 200-300lbs, not 50-75lbs. Factory Sound dead weighs 45lbs by itself (stacked all together on a scale).

Factory seats = 30-45lbs A PIECE! Race seats are between 15-25lbs. My Corbeau F1's were 19lbs a piece and my factories were 30+lbs. That's just the Front seats. The rear back rest (heaviest part) is a good 15-20lbs. NOW....add in the weight from the very Brackets that hold the seats in place now. Removing metal brackets + the screws that hold those brackets down is going to put in some additional weight into removing factory seats alone. There is a good 100+lbs in removing seats alone and replacing them with aftermarket ones. Carpet although feels rather light when it's spread out, imagine if you could collectively weigh it...it's not light because it has padding in certain spots.

Just so you know, my 2550lbs is not a guess. It's confirmed weight, I wouldn't post it if I didn't know.

[Mr.Jay]

Originally Posted by fernan2

a roll cage 150 lbs? seriously! there's no way it's more than a 100 lbs.

nah a roll cage can deff be that heavy depending on how much reinforcements it has, how many points the roll cage has and the material its made from (ie chrome moly vs mild steel)

hey Dragon how do you like Corbeau they are very reasonable priced but i don`t know anyone that runs them

most people here are all about jdm and brides

[Dragonitti]

Originally Posted by blur

Sound deadening weights in at 20 lbs on my car, and will likely not even show up on this car from the rumors. A/c systems weigh no where near that on sports cars, a/c delete is usually a 25 lb weight savings. And as for seats, they will be manual, weighing in at about 35-40 lbs each with the rails. Air bags weigh about 10 lbs each I believe.

This isn't a regular car, it's a lightweight sports car. It comes from factory with lightweight components. Weight reduction will not be as easy as it is on highway cruisers.

@ fernan, it's likely to be over 200 lbs. I'm being conservative.

A gutted 350z I bet can still shed 300+lbs. Sorry I'm not going to even remotely believe that a gutted FT-86 + cage and air jack system is even remotely near Production weight (which is kinda what you are trying to get at). It just don't happen like that. I'm sticking with 2800lbs, if it's lighter than that we still win right...if it's heavier than that, it just lets me know there are a lot of metal brackets to gut from the car to get down to 24xxlbs with a cage and air jack system.

Just fyi....I still can shed another 60+lbs off of my tC by replacing the glass roof (confirmed 40lbs of weight) with a carbon roof and replacing the hatch with a carbon hatch.

[Dragonitti]

Originally Posted by Mr.Jay

nah a roll cage can deff be that heavy depending on how much reinforcements it has, how many points the roll cage has and the material its made from (ie chrome moly vs mild steel)

hey Dragon how do you like Corbeau they are very reasonable priced but i don`t know anyone that runs them

most people here are all about jdm and brides

I like them better than stock that's for sure. I didn't realize that though until I sold them and was running stockers at the track recently...lol. I sold them to put money into the new turbo setup. When I had them, I had the FX1 seats. Great for straight line, but kinda swayed in the shoulders a little to much for the race track.

I will be running Sparco Fighters for my next set and Takata Harness.

[Mr.Jay]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

Just fyi....I still can shed another 60+lbs off of my tC by replacing the glass roof (confirmed 40lbs of weight) with a carbon roof and replacing the hatch with a carbon hatch.

how the hell did you weight the roof

[blur]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

A gutted 350z I bet can still shed 300+lbs. Sorry I'm not going to even remotely believe that a gutted FT-86 + cage and air jack system is even remotely near Production weight (which is kinda what you are trying to get at). It just don't happen like that. I'm sticking with 2800lbs, if it's lighter than that we still win right...if it's heavier than that, it just lets me know there are a lot of metal brackets to gut from the car to get down to 24xxlbs with a cage and air jack system.

Just fyi....I still can shed another 60+lbs off of my tC by replacing the glass roof (confirmed 40lbs of weight) with a carbon roof and replacing the hatch with a carbon hatch.

I'm well aware of the sunroof weight, I have one and plan on ditching it too, but this car wont have a sunroof...? So I don't see your point. And replacing parts panels has nothing to do with gutting the interior.

I just want to know how you lost 350 lbs from the interior. And I have no doubt that cage weights as much or more than what they took out.

@Jay, you take out the glass roof, and weight it. Simple :P

Offtopic: dragon, have you heard anything good about the recaro speed? I was looking into getting a pair...

[rmagic]

I built a track car and I managed to shave 450 lbs from the car before roll cage. Stock Rx8 weights 2950 lbs and I scaled it on the track after I built it and it weighed 2500 lbs before roll cage. Then you add the roll cage which weights from 100 to 150 lbs. I am very sure ft86 would be 2750 to 2800 lbs if it uses light weight materials.

I had a 2006 mazda RX8 GS and these are what I took out from the car:

stereo
speakers
air condition
most of the interior parts
back seat
seat belt
front side window
side mirrors
rear bumper protecter
all the stuff in the trunk

and put light weight parts
very light exhaust
racing seat
plastic front windows
lighter hood
racing wheels and coilovers
lighter battery
and some more

I love the car in terms of handling. It is a real sport car because of the longer wheel base the car was more stable than s2000 on a bigger track and faster corner but the big weakness of the car was the torque of the engine which made life hard on the track .

Lots of people don't want to modify the engine, sometimes it is the money and other times is the engine can't be reliable with more power.

I am not looking for big power. I am just hoping ft86 will have a decent power so you can be competitive on the track without spending too much money.