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AIRMAX · 10-05-2011, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by old greg

@Suprachica

It wouldn't meet emissions regs, or EU pedestrian safety rules, would get terrible crash-test/safety ratings, and it would play hell with Toyota's corporate average fuel economy. On top of that I highly doubt Toyota still has any of the tooling/molds to reproduce any of the old parts, that means an investment of tens of millions of dollars.

why wouldn't they have it?

They re-released the AE-86 in japan, new everything...
as limited run of course.

From my understanding the tooling exists for all toyota vehicles, either in a big storage facility or to Toyota owned supplier/tier 2 manufacturer.

Snoopyalien24 · 10-06-2011, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Jay

I would love to see another straight 6 under the hood I highly doubt it since the industry is moving away from inline and gonig to V format.

Well i guess you can import a Ford (believe it or not) from Australia. A Ford Falcon FPV GT (I think is the full name). It's a I6 turbocharged sedan.. The new model has a 5.4L V8 pullin 460hp.. cuz the I6 is an earlier model I believe.

Maybe we should all just get those Coyote engines :P

(and sorry to go off topic with Ford)

no_name · 10-06-2011, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by AIRMAX

They re-released the AE-86 in japan, new everything...
as limited run of course.

WHEN DID THAT HAPPEN?

Back on topic, the Subaru drive train can certainly handle the power required for a new supra (300+) and a turbo H6 with some hybrid tech would be really sweet. The FRS is based on a shortened Legacy platform so a Supra could easily be based on a longer version of the same platform.

ichitaka05 · 10-06-2011, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by no_name

WHEN DID THAT HAPPEN?

Back on topic, the Subaru drive train can certainly handle the power required for a new supra (300+) and a turbo H6 with some hybrid tech would be really sweet. The FRS is based on a shortened Legacy platform so a Supra could easily be based on a longer version of the same platform.

2 things:
1 - No, Subaru's drivetrain can't handle +300 RWD. Specially rear diff.
2 - No, FRS isn't based on shortened Legacy platform. It used to be, but throw that idea out & they made whole new design.

no_name · 10-06-2011, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ichitaka05

1 - No, Subaru's drivetrain can't handle +300 RWD. Specially rear diff.
2 - No, FRS isn't based on shortened Legacy platform. It used to be, but throw that idea out & they made whole new design.

By Subaru I mean the STI. Subaru HAS a drivetrain that can handle that much power, which could be repurposed. The STI has 305hp, and probably about a 50% extra safety factor built in. So easy 400 safe hp from the trans and diffs.
And since when did they abandon the Legacy platform?

ichitaka05 · 10-06-2011, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by no_name

By Subaru I mean the STI. Subaru HAS a drivetrain that can handle that much power, which could be repurposed. The STI has 305hp, and probably about a 50% extra safety factor built in. So easy 400 safe hp from the trans and diffs.
And since when did they abandon the Legacy platform?

You look at all the modded RWD STI (modded) have rear diff problem after a while. Cen-Diff is gone in RWD STI and all the power goes into rear diff and they cannot handle it, resulting rear diff to break. That's one of the reason most of RWD STI uses Silvia & GT-R/S's rear diff.

Legacy platform thing was gone, when MkII was announced (somewhere around that time).

no_name · 10-06-2011, 01:25 PM

:happy0180: Did not know.

ichitaka05 · 10-06-2011, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by no_name

:happy0180: Did not know.

Now you know

vh_supra26 · 10-09-2011, 11:04 PM

I think if there were to be a MK5 Supra that it would be built in the new GS' chassis.

JohnnyR · 10-13-2011, 03:42 PM

It shouldn't be a Lexus. The GT-R is proof that there's absolutely no need to market a car that should be focused on performance (not luxury) to be placed under a "premium name badge", especially one that's the rejuvenate the "Toyota" name. GT-R owners are fine with it being called a Nissan, despite it's price tag being above what most Infiniti buyers spend. Though partially in the back of my head I wouldn't put one past Toyota to put a Lexus badge on it, after what they've done to the FT-86 putting those horrible Scion badges on it.

Lexus Supra. Nope, doesn't sound right at all.

We all know it's coming by now. Which segment will it be placed in is the more interesting discussion point though. I think they'd be better off targeting the 370z/Mustang range personally, they have a "high-end" performance car as is with the LFA, and marketing a GT-R competitor doesn't help them much in sales. 40-50k V6 Seq-Turbo sounds about right. Though, I would never expect another legendary 2JZ-GTE type halo motor again. I'd expect it to be limited at what you can throw at it unless highly modified.

Riden86 · 10-13-2011, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyR

Lexus Supra. Nope, doesn't sound right at all.

Scion Supra! Sound cool right?

vh_supra26 · 10-15-2011, 11:34 PM

Hasn't the Supra, SC/Soarer and GS/Aristo always shared the same chassis design?

82mm 4g63 · 10-16-2011, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Riden86

Scion Supra! Sound cool right?

No, not even remotely.

lol

Dark · 10-16-2011, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Riden86

Scion Supra! Sound cool right?

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JohnnyR Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Drives: 04 Evo 8 Location: PA Posts: 171 Thanks: 4 Thanked 9 Times in 5 Posts Mentioned: 4 Post(s)	It shouldn't be a Lexus. The GT-R is proof that there's absolutely no need to market a car that should be focused on performance (not luxury) to be placed under a "premium name badge", especially one that's the rejuvenate the "Toyota" name. GT-R owners are fine with it being called a Nissan, despite it's price tag being above what most Infiniti buyers spend. Though partially in the back of my head I wouldn't put one past Toyota to put a Lexus badge on it, after what they've done to the FT-86 putting those horrible Scion badges on it. Lexus Supra. Nope, doesn't sound right at all. We all know it's coming by now. Which segment will it be placed in is the more interesting discussion point though. I think they'd be better off targeting the 370z/Mustang range personally, they have a "high-end" performance car as is with the LFA, and marketing a GT-R competitor doesn't help them much in sales. 40-50k V6 Seq-Turbo sounds about right. Though, I would never expect another legendary 2JZ-GTE type halo motor again. I'd expect it to be limited at what you can throw at it unless highly modified.

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