Front LCA AVO vs Whiteline

[sierra]

Originally Posted by whataboutbob

I'd be interested to see a link to a forum post related to specific problems with this part.

Try entering 'whiteline problems' into the search box.

That wasn't valid when I read the posts it brought up but I've read several posts where whiteline products have been removed because they weren't compatible with other mods or another product proved to be superior in construction, design or result.

[whataboutbob]

Originally Posted by sierra

Try entering 'whiteline problems' into the search box.

Took your advice, did a search. Found discussions of the COMC issues, but nothing with the part this thread is discussing.

Maybe your search skills are sufficient to provide a link to issues with this part, which is what I was asking.

[sierra]

Originally Posted by whataboutbob

Took your advice, did a search. Found discussions of the COMC issues, but nothing with the part this thread is discussing.

Maybe your search skills are sufficient to provide a link to issues with this part, which is what I was asking.

I was only trying to help.
Just noticed the Whiteline link in your posts and wondering why you would ask in the first place?
Why not get the Whiteline and let us know what you think.

[whataboutbob]

Originally Posted by sierra

I was only trying to help.
Just noticed the Whiteline link in your posts and wondering why you would ask in the first place?
Why not get the Whiteline and let us know what you think.

How did you miss this post: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...98&postcount=9 in THIS thread?

I don't think it is helpful to make generalizations about an entire product line because of limited issues with one of a manufacturer's products.

[sierra]

Originally Posted by whataboutbob

How did you miss this post: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...98&postcount=9 in THIS thread?

I don't think it is helpful to make generalizations about an entire product line because of limited issues with one of a manufacturer's products.

I don't think it's helpful to ask for advise/opinions and then start moaning when it's not the advise you wanted to hear.
Over and out.

[Calum]

Originally Posted by whataboutbob

Just pressed the Whiteline bushings into both pivot points on my front LCAs this afternoon. Car is still in pieces and prob won't be driveable until Mon morning when I have an alignment appt.

What I did notice during the bushing install is that they are significantly firmer than the factory ones.

Like others, I'd love to hear your review.

Originally Posted by vubaru

Mann says that the Whitelines are easier to align and install properly. They do not, however, recommend the Whiteline adjustable rear camber bushing kit, which I actually am enjoying. (FML.)

Any reason why they don't like the camber bushing kit? Is there an alternative other then adjustable lower rear control arms?

Originally Posted by Captain Snooze

You have the choice of either zero caster adjustment or +0.6 adjustment.
http://www.perrinperformance.com/brz...-system-offset
http://www.perrinperformance.com/brz...esponse-system

Thanks, but again its a bearing which isn't what I want, and the price is higher.

[Calum]

Originally Posted by sierra

I would avoid the Whiteline from the number of problems they seem to have reading through the posts.
They may be cheap but is it worth the possible hassle and will they last?

Whiteline had a lot of corrosion issues in the past, but they've changed the alloys they use and some of their design & manufacturing practices to prevent this. Or that's what I found in my research. I didn't find any issues beyond the comc top hats in the last couple years. There will always be some costumers and some product batches...

[AZP Installs]

We have been dealing with AVO and Whiteline for the LGTs for years. Overall, the WL products are much easier to deal with in terms of availability and any replacements that are needed. The WL ones with adjustable caster are a nice touch to fine tune it as well.

The other issue I have with AVO is that a company who makes suspension bits and turbo upgrades is likely not an expert in either. Whiteline deals exclusively with suspension parts and we've been using them for the better part of 12+ years.

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[AZP Installs]

Originally Posted by Calum

Whiteline had a lot of corrosion issues in the past, but they've changed the alloys they use and some of their design & manufacturing practices to prevent this. Or that's what I found in my research. I didn't find any issues beyond the comc top hats in the last couple years. There will always be some costumers and some product batches...

Yes back in 1999-2001 the sway bars had a tendency to rust out. Since about 2002 we haven't seen issues with corrosion on the WL parts at all. We have seen several other manufacturer's sway bars actually rust right through and break.

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[AZP Installs]

Originally Posted by whataboutbob

Took your advice, did a search. Found discussions of the COMC issues, but nothing with the part this thread is discussing.

Maybe your search skills are sufficient to provide a link to issues with this part, which is what I was asking.

We saw issues with the ComC mounts, however WL replaces them almost instantly for customers who have had issues. We've had several come into our shop that had these issues that we didn't even install and WL overnighted us replacements no questions asked.

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[PERRIN_Jeff]

Originally Posted by Calum

Perrin's don't add any caster and are a bearing, not a bushing. Great for a track car, but I worry about NVH in a street car.

As a few have pointed out, our PSRS absolutely has an optional caster adjustment.



The spherical bearing does seem like it will add a bunch more NVH, but its hardly noticeable. This is because as you drive down the road, the small vibrations are being transmitting vertically up and down into the strut/spring setup. This is simply rotating the bearing in the PSRS, so its almost not difference while driving down the road. The only time I have ever noticed anything is when you hit a big bump or huge seam in the road.

We have been making this same part for years and years an never had to change a thing about it. Meaning, we haven't had squeeking issues, or urthane popping out, or anything like that. This was made back in 2005-ish for the Legacy GT, and has been used in all the 08+ Subarus as well.

Some are concerned about the daily driver wearing them out over time. I have set with the original bearings on my 08 STI, that now has 40K miles and 5.5 years of use. I just checked them last week and they are still super solid with no play.

We did a terrible job of letting customers know we had this part available since March! We would love to get some guys running these and get some more feedback. Please PM me for some special deals you can't pass up!

[whataboutbob]

In my opinion it would be a design improvement in the available parts if there were an adjustable end link that took the place of the coupler labeled "A" in this photo as well as having a bushing that could rotate in the LCA.

As I've already posted I installed the Whiteline ones this weekend and tried to get them aligned equally on both sides. When I went in for an alignment this AM the tech told me that there was a delta between the caster on both sides of my front wheels.

If I wanted to try to minimize that delta it would require me to un-press the bushing and make an adjustment. This process would probably require several iterations.

[wootwoot]

So how do you adjust caster with the Perrin unit? Do you have to press them out and readjust? Or do you turn them with a special wrench?

[Captain Snooze]

Maybe Jeff@Perrin could offer some advice on how to insure the caster is the same on both sides when installing offset lca bushes?