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Calum 12-27-2012 08:35 PM

Front LCA AVO vs Whiteline
 
Hey guys,

Now that Christmas is over it's time for me to start picking my suspension upgrades. So far both AVO and Whiteline offer front lower control arm bushings with increased caster. I'm wondering if anyone can make a compelling argument for one vs the other.

Thanks

Calum 12-28-2012 09:52 PM

damn, no one have any experience with either of these?

OrbitalEllipses 12-28-2012 10:08 PM

@Racecomp Engineering had AVO bushes in the front before they replaced the arm with one of their down design; @Scooby South has Whiteline bushes, I think. Both have build threads.

Edit: @Turn in Concepts might have the Whiteline pieces installed, but I'm not sure.

Scooby South 12-28-2012 10:15 PM

I have the whiteline LCA bushings... I don't have a durometer but they are substantially more stiff than the stock one.. Power-Flex also makes some.. they have 2 different hardness's a street ver and and track ver.. What is your plan with the car??? Track??? Autocross??? just bad ass street??? Havn't gotten them installed yet... (10 degrees out) but do plan to do them here as soon as I can.. will try to do a DIY also.. I am expecting tighter Turn-in and more predictable handling..

Bill

Calum 12-29-2012 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scooby South (Post 632560)
I have the whiteline LCA bushings... I don't have a durometer but they are substantially more stiff than the stock one.. Power-Flex also makes some.. they have 2 different hardness's a street ver and and track ver.. What is your plan with the car??? Track??? Autocross??? just bad ass street??? Havn't gotten them installed yet... (10 degrees out) but do plan to do them here as soon as I can.. will try to do a DIY also.. I am expecting tighter Turn-in and more predictable handling..

Bill

Thanks. It's just a street car, but the extra caster should allow me to run less static camber along with giving a better feel and more confidence.

Looking at pics of the whiteline bushings it looks like they have relief holes cut into them that should mimic a similar opening in the stock bushing. If I'm to believe moto iq's conclusion as to why the stock bushing has this I'd like to go with the WL. But I'm not sure.

Im also wondering about installation and longevity differences.

JoeBoxer 12-29-2012 06:42 PM

What about the Perrin ones?

OrbitalEllipses 12-29-2012 07:01 PM

In the end my suggestion without careful research is this: a poly bushing is a poly bushing is a poly bushing. Whichever you find cheapest is the better deal. I bought AVO steering rack bushings for my WRX*because WL ones were sold out at the time.

Calum 12-29-2012 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeBoxer (Post 633803)
What about the Perrin ones?

Perrin's don't add any caster and are a bearing, not a bushing. Great for a track car, but I worry about NVH in a street car.

Quote:

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses (Post 633845)
In the end my suggestion without careful research is this: a poly bushing is a poly bushing is a poly bushing. Whichever you find cheapest is the better deal. I bought AVO steering rack bushings for my WRX*because WL ones were sold out at the time.


I thought the same thing. Then I installed both energy suspension and prothane bushing kits on different neons. I would NEVER use the energy again.

Also, there are some pretty large differences in these bushings.
http://www.avoturboworld.com/avoshop...00_cab_001.jpg

http://www.whiteline.com.au/images/products/KCA434.jpg

whataboutbob 12-29-2012 10:48 PM

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Just pressed the Whiteline bushings into both pivot points on my front LCAs this afternoon. Car is still in pieces and prob won't be driveable until Mon morning when I have an alignment appt.

What I did notice during the bushing install is that they are significantly firmer than the factory ones.

JoeBoxer 12-29-2012 10:57 PM

Can't wait to hear your review, i'm waiting to do these bushings until i have some more miles on them and i can notice a significant difference.

Captain Snooze 12-30-2012 02:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calum (Post 634072)
Perrin's don't add any caster and are a bearing, not a bushing. Great for a track car, but I worry about NVH in a street car.

You have the choice of either zero caster adjustment or +0.6 adjustment.
http://www.perrinperformance.com/brz...-system-offset
http://www.perrinperformance.com/brz...esponse-system

gmookher 12-30-2012 03:16 AM

Tho I have yet to install mine, I got the Perrin PSRS with caster correction.

sierra 12-30-2012 03:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calum (Post 630286)
Hey guys,

Now that Christmas is over it's time for me to start picking my suspension upgrades. So far both AVO and Whiteline offer front lower control arm bushings with increased caster. I'm wondering if anyone can make a compelling argument for one vs the other.

Thanks

I would avoid the Whiteline from the number of problems they seem to have reading through the posts.
They may be cheap but is it worth the possible hassle and will they last?

whataboutbob 12-30-2012 03:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sierra (Post 634494)
I would avoid the Whiteline from the number of problems they seem to have reading through the posts.
They may be cheap but is it worth the possible hassle and will they last?

I'd be interested to see a link to a forum post related to specific problems with this part.


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