Question for the Turbo community.

[Freeman]

Originally Posted by NickFRS

and @ freeman re read my post. I SAID N/A MOTORS BLOWING AND ASKING IF ANY TURBO ENGINES HAVE BLOWN YET! BLOWN = POPPED. Now back on topic

Ah I see you went back an edited it. That's makes what you were asking a lot clearer. I'll be sure to wait until the final revision of your future posts before responding. :-)

[NickFRS]

Originally Posted by nonicname

SHOW ME AN N/A BRZ/FRS MOTOR THAT HAS BLOWN!
if you are going to be spreading rumours at least have some back up.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15577

16. Shizzaw, FR-S, 200 mi, catastrophic engine failure, CA
23. whiteout_fr-s, FR-S, 25 mi, vehicle replaced - catastrophic engine failure, MA
34. TurnOne, FR-S, 335 mi, 7079XX, vehicle replaced - catastrophic engine failure, OH
48. elchupanebre, BRZ, 470 mi, 6025XX, vehicle replaced - engine not repairable, UT
85. rapidcars, BRZ, 850 mi, 6029XX, engine replaced - catastrophic engine failure, NY
87. BORGSRT, FR-S, 500 mi, vehicle caught on fire, TN
94. nutzy, BRZ, 1700 mi, in shop - engine replaced - catastrophic engine failure, MN
99. schmickle, BRZ, vehicle replaced - engine not repairable, CA

[NickFRS]

You guys do understand N/A means naturally aspirated as in no turbo.

[Sportsguy83]

Originally Posted by NickFRS

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15577

16. Shizzaw, FR-S, 200 mi, catastrophic engine failure, CA
23. whiteout_fr-s, FR-S, 25 mi, vehicle replaced - catastrophic engine failure, MA
34. TurnOne, FR-S, 335 mi, 7079XX, vehicle replaced - catastrophic engine failure, OH
48. elchupanebre, BRZ, 470 mi, 6025XX, vehicle replaced - engine not repairable, UT
85. rapidcars, BRZ, 850 mi, 6029XX, engine replaced - catastrophic engine failure, NY
87. BORGSRT, FR-S, 500 mi, vehicle caught on fire, TN
94. nutzy, BRZ, 1700 mi, in shop - engine replaced - catastrophic engine failure, MN
99. schmickle, BRZ, vehicle replaced - engine not repairable, CA

You do understand that 8 cars (lets triple it to 24 for conservatism on people that do not post in this forum), represents 0.2% of 12K cars (12K cars chosen conservatively too because FRS are over 12K which does not consider the thousands other BRZ's there are out there....) Furthermore, you understand a conservative 0.2% of cars with motor failure falls well below the range of cars that can fail due to errors in assembly/construction)....

just saying. :happy0180:

[nonicname]

Originally Posted by NickFRS

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15577

16. Shizzaw, FR-S, 200 mi, catastrophic engine failure, CA
23. whiteout_fr-s, FR-S, 25 mi, vehicle replaced - catastrophic engine failure, MA
34. TurnOne, FR-S, 335 mi, 7079XX, vehicle replaced - catastrophic engine failure, OH
48. elchupanebre, BRZ, 470 mi, 6025XX, vehicle replaced - engine not repairable, UT
85. rapidcars, BRZ, 850 mi, 6029XX, engine replaced - catastrophic engine failure, NY
87. BORGSRT, FR-S, 500 mi, vehicle caught on fire, TN
94. nutzy, BRZ, 1700 mi, in shop - engine replaced - catastrophic engine failure, MN
99. schmickle, BRZ, vehicle replaced - engine not repairable, CA

you sound like you wear a hat sideways on a daily basis and you can't even legally drink alcohol so I'm going to ignore this thread.

[dorifuto]

Originally Posted by NickFRS

This is a solid answer that's in the ball park!!!

Yes I suspect the same thing. The stock rear diff is deff not a race application. As for the gear ratio I don't think that should be an issue. Shorter gear ratios can be in the favor under 400WHP. I mean who really goes over 150MPH on a track? Or who needs to. It's mainly about how fast it gets there. This car wasn't exactly made for a straight line. This we all know or else we wouldn't have bought our twins! And if you bought this car for a straight line maybe you should consider trading it in for a supra. Stock clutches have been burnt. So what HP applications have burnt these clutches? Do they handle 300WHP responsibly? when do they start "slipping"

Sorry if you already have posted this I was bored at work and didn't recall seeing anything about this sort of topic.

Also if there is one thing I learned about boosted Boxer engines is that they are usually closed deck. This is an open deck. So there are some changes in this FA engine then the EJ engines i'm used to seeing.

Closed deck ej? What model?

[NickFRS]

I don't wear hats and I buy pendelton every other week legally? There are more on that thread of blown engines in N/a cars? Sure that doesn't mean we have a horrible engines but he said to show him so I did. Thats not what i'm asking.... If I can't even ask a simple question with out all you getting but hurt and start fighting with each other then this is simply pointless.

[JP]

the one that threw a rod in Sydney was one of the 20psi E85 setups. It didn't break while under load though, it let go just cruising around while decelerating. Two more long engines in transit for that one anyway, last I heard they hadn't pulled the broken motor down to diagnose the cause of failure, were waiting until the long motors arrived.

[gmookher]

Just cause a motor holds 20psi or that it can be tuned to run e85 or flex fuels, doesnt mean thats not excessive, it can cause fatigue, as evidenced by what your post cites, this occurs under normal use, and is exacerbated when running even higher CR's from FI or e85.

theres a reason why i'm not on turbo bandwagon and have electively missed the e85 bus.

Ofcourse this can be prevented by not running risky(tho attention getting) boost levels in real world daily duty, and not messing with flex fuels/e85 on a motor that wasnt designed from the factory to do so.

There are alot of changes that a manufacture makes to a motor, or a piston, for running that fuel. And turbo.

If both Vortech/AVO release a kit with 6-7 psi there'sa likely a reason why you may benefit more conservative goals.

With a turbo, you're at max boost pretty early on, not sure if I think this is ultimately a good thing for such a high cr motor. I kinda like that with a SC, you have to be at max rpms to be at max boost; its less abusive over the general life of a motor that was designed for NA-or atleast thats how I look at it, you spend less time per seat hour at max boost...

As for Most miles on supercharger with stock internals, we'll be finding out soon next year I would think.

[sw20kosh]

Originally Posted by gmookher

Just cause a motor holds 20psi or that it can be tuned to run e85 or flex fuels, doesnt mean thats not excessive, it can cause fatigue, as evidenced by what your post cites, this occurs under normal use, and is exacerbated when running even higher CR's from FI or e85.

theres a reason why i'm not on turbo bandwagon and have electively missed the e85 bus.

Ofcourse this can be prevented by not running risky(tho attention getting) boost levels in real world daily duty, and not messing with flex fuels/e85 on a motor that wasnt designed from the factory to do so.

There are alot of changes that a manufacture makes to a motor, or a piston, for running that fuel. And turbo.

If both Vortech/AVO release a kit with 6-7 psi there'sa likely a reason why you may benefit more conservative goals.

With a turbo, you're at max boost pretty early on, not sure if I think this is ultimately a good thing for such a high cr motor. I kinda like that with a SC, you have to be at max rpms to be at max boost; its less abusive over the general life of a motor that was designed for NA-or atleast thats how I look at it, you spend less time per seat hour at max boost...

As for Most miles on supercharger with stock internals, we'll be finding out soon next year I would think.

you need to specify which type of supercharger you are talking about. A roots/twin screw will be in most more than the other options.

[Silverpike]

Originally Posted by NickFRS

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15577

16. Shizzaw, FR-S, 200 mi, catastrophic engine failure, CA
23. whiteout_fr-s, FR-S, 25 mi, vehicle replaced - catastrophic engine failure, MA
34. TurnOne, FR-S, 335 mi, 7079XX, vehicle replaced - catastrophic engine failure, OH
48. elchupanebre, BRZ, 470 mi, 6025XX, vehicle replaced - engine not repairable, UT
85. rapidcars, BRZ, 850 mi, 6029XX, engine replaced - catastrophic engine failure, NY
87. BORGSRT, FR-S, 500 mi, vehicle caught on fire, TN
94. nutzy, BRZ, 1700 mi, in shop - engine replaced - catastrophic engine failure, MN
99. schmickle, BRZ, vehicle replaced - engine not repairable, CA

These are due to a manufacturing design defect in the car, and have nothing whatsoever to do with longevity of an aftermarket-modified NA or FI setup.

[NickFRS]

@sw20kosh thats why I want to super charge my car. On dd I sift at 3k Rpms. I don't need to be hitting massive torque all day in the early RPM band. that got old in my STi as soon as I started averaging 22MPG.

You guys are starting to become a broken record on the whole blown N/a factor. Known fact, "some N/a engines have blown." Who knows if those people didn't beat the piss out of their cars for the first 6k. Who knows. Now have any turbo engines blown or thrown check engine lights. THATS THE QUESTION HERE. Or Do I need to remake this thread minus the N/a? because honestly. Come on.

[nix]

IMO there is a HUGE amount of naivety on these forums from people thinking low boost on this engine is safe.

[NickFRS]

Also the other question is what power are some kits making and whats the most miles to date on those kits?