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Old 08-24-2012, 06:53 PM   #1
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Exclamation Unofficial - CEL/SL/Idle Issue List for FR-S/BRZ Owners

Folks, my goal is to document the number of owners, their mileage, status of their cars along with other pertinent info. I feel it will be a good snapshot to help understand the severity and broad reach of this problem.

BACKGROUND
While this idle issue may manifest itself as an initial dip, please only add your name if you have experienced a combination of the check engine light (CEL) and slip light (SL) in addition to the RPM hunting at idle (often severe shaking and stalling). The code your engine control unit (ECU) should have stored is P0019 (also optional P0017, P0018 or related cam codes).

Toyota and Subaru have developed various solutions for this issue which have not been consistent and may require multiple repairs or even vehicle replacement due to limited success. Repairs could include a combination of the following: replacing cam sprocket assemblies, replacing oil control valves, reflashing and/or replacing the ECU. To expedite service and express your concerns, be sure to contact the corporate customer service numbers below.

PHONE NUMBERS
Scion Customer Service: 866-707-2466
Subaru Customer Service: 800-782-2783

Automotive Magazines/Websites Reporting the Issue
Automobile Magazine (2012.October)
Automotive News (2012.October.03)
AUTOWEEK (2012.October.04) | AUTOWEEK Video (2012.October.05)
Motor Trend (2012.October.04)
autoblog (2012.October.05)
Jalopnik (2012.October.03)
Torque News (2012.October.04)
egmCarTech (2012.October.07)

Forums and Other Related Threads

Subaru Technical Service Bulletin (PDF)
Toyota UK Statement (states 4% of vehicles are affected)
BRZ CEL/Idle Video | FR-S CEL/Idle Video
Early FR-S Issue and Engine Failure | Another FR-S Engine Failure | FR-S on Fire
Idle Issues Thread | RPM Fluctuation Thread | Idle Issues in UK | AVO CEL Thread
CEL Thread #1 | CEL Thread #2 | CEL Thread #3 | CEL Thread #4 | CEL Thread #5

Please post the following if you are experiencing the CEL/idle issue:
username, model, mileage of occurrence, last six of VIN (use XX for last two), status of repair [3 weeks - repaired, in shop, etc.], location [state, country, etc.]

SALES VOLUME
Total Scion FR-S sales from launch including October 2012 = 8572
Total Subaru BRZ sales from launch including October 2012 = 3120
FR-S October Sales = 1107
BRZ October Sales = 402
FR-S September sales = 1133
BRZ September sales = 508
FR-S August sales = 1913
BRZ August sales = 623
FR-S July sales = 1649
FR-S June sales = 2684


LIST OF AFFECTED VEHICLES
1. eurospeed, FR-S, 140 mi, 7075XX, 2 weeks - repaired, CT
2. TeamSweet86, BRZ, 20 mi, 6027XX,
6 weeks - repaired (3 ECUs), CA
3. danthedirt, FR-S, 2000 mi, 1 week - repaired, CA
4. Hammer, BRZ, 6026XX, CA
5. LaserMon, FR-S, 22 km, Canada
6. Vracer111, FR-S, 1100 mi, self reset CEL - clear since 1100 mi, TX
7. benzaholic, FR-S, 700 mi, 7067XX, 3 weeks - repaired, TX
8. Mr.Roboto, FR-S, 30 mi, 4 weeks - repaired, CA
9. Yruyur, FR-S, 5700 mi, repaired, AZ
10. alrashwa, FR-S, 300 mi, 7073XX, 4 weeks - repaired, WA
11. tintumz22, FR-S, 10 mi, 1 week - repaired, CA
12. Scooby_South, BRZ, WI
13. soconfoozed, BRZ, 3500 mi, 601XXX,
7 weeks 1st repair - back in shop, CA
14. oxygen, FR-S, 2700 mi, 7008XX, NE
15. siXXtoes, FR-S, 7066XX, 1 week - repaired, SD
16. Shizzaw, FR-S, 200 mi,
catastrophic engine failure, CA
17. QFry, FR-S, 230 mi, self reset CEL - clear since 1130 mi, CO
18. amox, FR-S, 240 mi, CA
19. Vonsamhain, FR-S, 250 mi, 7053XX, repaired, CA
20. 01s0uljah, BRZ, 40 km, 5.5 weeks - repaired, Canada
21. STEVEOSTI, BRZ, 500 km, 6027XX, in shop, Canada
22. ShadowSeraph, FR-S, 1000 mi, WI
23. whiteout_fr-s, FR-S, 25 mi, vehicle replaced - catastrophic engine failure, MA
24. ubersoph, BRZ, WI
25. Stu_L_Tissimus, BRZ, NY
26. mark7s4, FR-S, FL
27. Tricky1980, FR-S, 76 mi, 7077XX,
3 weeks 1st repair - back in shop (2 ECUs), IA
28. Z06tofrs, FR-S, 400 mi, 7067XX, in shop - multiple repair attempts, FL
29. number1Tango, FR-S, 63 mi, 7075XX, in shop - multiple repair attempts, CA
30. egraphic, FR-S, 520 mi, 7077XX,
vehicle replaced - not repaireable within acceptable time limits, CA
31. whtchocla7e, FR-S, 8 mi, 3.5 weeks - repaired, CT
32. bazi, FR-S, 25 mi, 7077XX, 3.5 weeks - repaired, NC
33. choi0706, BRZ, 200 mi, 6027XX, 4 weeks - repaired (2 ECUs), TX
34. TurnOne, FR-S, 335 mi, 7079XX,
vehicle replaced - catastrophic engine failure, OH
35. thejevans, FR-S, in shop, MD
36. DarkSunrise, FR-S, 120 mi, repaired, VA
37. White13frs, FR-S, 1100 mi, 7077XX, 3.5 weeks - repaired, TX
38. iheartartoo, FR-S, 110 mi, 7071XX, in shop, USA
39. Christina_Marie, FR-S, 40 mi, 7073XX, 3 weeks - repaired, MA
40. 2000blk, FR-S, 100 mi, 7079XX, in shop, MI
41. gdi2290, BRZ, 717 mi, 6027XX, in shop - multiple repair attempts, CA
42. FLASCH, FR-S, 400 mi, 7078XX, 3.5 weeks - repaired, CA
43. ninetysixzee, FR-S, 2000 mi, 7026XX, repaired, CA
44. governor, FR-S, 2069 km, 6 weeks - repaired, Canada
45. speedy_racer, FR-S, 335 mi, 6 weeks - repaired, NC
46. SubieNate, FR-S, 100 mi, in shop, CA
47. FBaxteR-S, FR-S, 30 km, Canada
48. elchupanebre, BRZ, 470 mi, 6025XX,
vehicle replaced - engine not repairable, UT
49. griffunitt, FR-S, 150 mi, 7088XX, 3 weeks - repaired, WI
50. TemeCal, FR-S, 425 mi, 7088XX, 5 weeks - repaired (3 ECUs), CA
51. twinturba, FR-S, 1510 miles, 7059XX, CA
52. OmarGC, FR-S, 420mi, 7079XX, 3.5 weeks - repaired, MO
53. regal, FR-S, 20 mi, 7074XX, PA
54. pituala, FR-S, 900 mi, 7073XX, 10.5 weeks - repaired, FL
55. KingRohan, BRZ, 800 km, 6026XX, 3.5 weeks - repaired, Canada
56. CharlieChaos, FR-S, 1843 mi, 3 weeks - repaired, RI
57. Ahz, FR-S, 2100 km, 7076XX, Canada
58. 714FR-s_guy, FR-S, 1500 mi, 2 weeks - repaired, CA
59. michaelshull, FR-S, 4500 mi, 7037XX, in shop - multiple repair attempts, CA
60. Darweeezy, FR-S, 1200 mi, 7077XX, 3 weeks - repaired, CA
61. Ridenslide, FR-S, 10 mi, not purchased, NM
62. 86'ing, FR-S, 865 mi, in shop, LA
63. invaliduser, FR-S, 9 mi, 1.5 weeks - repaired, LA
64. Jar, FR-S. 2400 mi,
1 week 1st repair - back in shop (2 ECUs), AZ
65. @Art_Mighty, FR-S, 1600 mi, 7087XX, 4 weeks - repaired, IL
66. jesperswe, GT86, 0060XX, 2 weeks - repaired, Sweden
67. Chinadian, FR-S, 120 km, 4 weeks - repaired, Canada
68. FRSjeff, FR-S, 1900 mi, 7077XX, 1.5 weeks - repaired, CA
69. pixel67, FR-S, 17 mi, 7084XX, not purchased, GA
70. RedRydr, FR-S, 900 mi, 7079XX, 2 weeks - repaired, WA
71. Books, FR-S, 1400 mi, 1 week - repaired, MA
72. FT86Raven13, FR-S, 107 mi, in shop, CT
73. Ericbdrummin, FR-S, 2950 mi, 2 weeks - repaired, NV
74. UbSaMrC, FR-S, 2008 mi, in shop, HI
75. NeenaChrry, FR-S, 170 mi, 7079XX, in shop, VA
76. ddarko68, FR-S, 115 mi, 7072XX, 3.5 weeks - repaired, VA
77. [not on forum], GT86, 1400 km, in shop, Sweden
78. JtoshiroW, BRZ, 2400 mi, 6029XX, in shop, HI
79. Teknian_Culprate13, FR-S, 2000 mi, in shop, CA
80. phat_86, FR-S, 350 mi, 7076XX, 2.5 weeks - repaired, IL
81. ftc~brz, BRZ, 70 mi, 6032XX, 3.5 weeks - repaired, MD
82. Hawaiian, FR-S, 6325 mi, IL
83. illmatic2349, FR-S, CA
84. Alienate, FR-S, 530 mi, 7092XX, 3 weeks - repaired, NV
85. rapidcars, BRZ, 850 mi, 6029XX, engine replaced - catastrophic engine failure, NY
86. _F-R-S_, FR-S, 2700 mi, MD
87. BORGSRT, FR-S, 500 mi, vehicle caught on fire, TN
88. Sargy, FR-S, 2700 mi, 7077XX, 4 weeks - repaired, VA
89. xomp, FR-S, 2602 mi, 7065XX, 2.5 weeks - repaired, CA
90. samfrs, FR-S, 42 miles, 7076XX, 2.5 weeks - repaired, NJ
91. FRS-ti, FR-S, in shop, OH
92. TheZombi, BRZ, 500 km, in shop, Canada
93. mlrsguy1982, BRZ, 1300 mi,
vehicle replaced - additional damage caused, CA
94. nutzy, BRZ, 1700 mi, in shop -
engine replaced - catastrophic engine failure, MN
95. slideways, FR-S, 1250 miles, 7081XX, in shop, CA
96. miss_paula, FR-S, 1000 mi, in shop, CA
97. HATED1, FR-S, 2545 mi, 5 weeks - repaired, WA
98. Econn80, FR-S, 2 weeks - repaired, TX
99. schmickle, BRZ,
vehicle replaced - engine not repairable, CA
100. Goodguy889, FR-S, 2500 mi, 7085XX,
3 weeks 1st repair - back in shop (2 ECUs), OR
101. Tengu, FR-S, 6479 mi, 7024XX, in shop, CA
102. Dezoris, FR-S, 1076 mi, 7053XX, IL
103. Wcmarshall, FR-S, 1800 mi, 7078XX,
5 weeks - repaired, TX
104. DrewZ926, FR-S, 1800 mi, 7074XX, TN
105. Mrc@ptuning, FR-S, 460 mi, in shop, VA
106. Aesthetics, FR-S, 3044 km, in shop, Canada
107. kreisinger87, FR-S, 1100 mi, 1 week - repaired, NV
108. dawnst3ar, FR-S, 2940 mi, 7080XX, 4 weeks - repaired, TX
109. AceNiNe, FR-S, 1500 mi, 7079XX, 2 weeks - repaired, NY
110. Oski, BRZ, 1025 mi, 6026XX, 4.5 weeks - repaired, CA
111. Those_Meddling_Kids, BRZ, 2025 mi, 2 weeks - repaired, CO
112. asloned, FR-S, 1988 mi, in shop, AZ
113. timotale, BRZ, 6026XX, 2.5 weeks - repaired, CA
114. boonFRS, FR-S, 2600 mi, 1 week - repaired, CA
115. eyebone, FR-S, 4012 mi, 7069XX, 3 weeks - repaired, CA
116. Rob_g, FR-S, 4500 km, 1.5 weeks - repaired, Canada
117. Gavin_Albright, FR-S, in shop, NC
118. tbertran, BRZ, 2560 mi, 6027XX, 1 week - repaired, CA
119. Le86, FR-S, 988 mi, 7094XX, 4 weeks - repaired, WA
120. brianlo622, FR-S, 1300 mi, 7096XX, 3 weeks - repaired, CA
121. neurokinetik, FR-S, 1300 mi, 7074XX, 1 week - repaired, NY
122. Boost_Junkie, BRZ, 1115 mi, 1 week - repaired, FL
123. JiB, GT86, 3000 km, Australia
124. felisa, BRZ, in shop, Canada
125. Plxdjake89, FR-S, 4495 mi, 3 weeks - repaired, CA
126. beardy, GT86, 1600 km, in shop, Sweden
127. Mark_Slide_Squad, FR-S, 2000 mi, 7082XX, 1 week - repaired, CA
128. P_Nasty, FR-S, 500 mi, in shop, FL
129. cyrus, FR-S, 540 mi, 7091XX, 5 weeks - repaired, NC
130. nomuken, GT86, 800 km, 0577XX, in shop, Luxembourg
131. hands0me, GT86, 106 km, in shop, Malaysia
132. howiedoit, FR-S, 4100 mi, 7066XX, in shop, CA
133. F1shTa1|5, FR-S, 1300 mi, 7008XX, self reset CEL - clear since 7000 mi, PA
134. Concept-Three-LED's, FR-S, 3144 mi, 3.5 weeks - repaired, NV
135. kaitak98, BRZ, 2200 mi, 6028XX, in shop, USA
136. FA20Bandit, FR-S, 3200 mi, 7082XX, in shop, CA
137. DieselxIndustry, FR-S, 800 mi, 7095XX, 1 week - repaired, IL
138. mx5_2nr, FR-S, 1710 mi, 7085XX, in shop, TX
139. alexmotrix, FR-S, 7500 km, 4 weeks - repaired, Canada
140. IceCreamMan, FR-S, 7500 mi, 7004XX, 2 weeks - repaired, FL
141. brichard0625, FR-S, 3600 mi, NY
142. ap5512, BRZ, 4917 mi, 6010XX, VA
143. wotter, GT86, 1830 km, 5388XX, 0.5 weeks - repaired, Belgium
144. darnbry, FR-S, 0.5 weeks - repaired, KS
145. KrzysFR, GT86, 1400 km, 0067XX, 5 weeks - repaired, France
146. Kieranz, BRZ, 1950 mi, 6028XX, 0.5 weeks - repaired, NJ
147. rthaanum, FR-S, 800 mi, 1.5 weeks - repaired, WA
148. samseed, BRZ, CA
149. Callahan, BRZ, 1300 mi, 6027XX, in shop, NC
150. SDIAZ, FR-S, 1242 mi, in shop, NJ
151. ScionFR-S, FR-S, 2400 mi, 2 weeks - repaired, NY
152. Scout27rgr, FR-S, 1326 mi, 7079XX, in shop, TX
153. ipothas, FR-S, 120 mi, in shop, MO
154. killercl0wnfish, FR-S, 3800 mi, 0.5 weeks - repaired, KY
155. silverbullet, BRZ, 2200 mi, 6035XX, 1 week - repaired, NH

156. buzzman, FR-S, 2400 mi, in shop, OK
157. traybelles, GT86, 0040XX, repaired, Australia
158. Graksthar. FR-S, 2400 mi, in shop, VA
159.
mhigham, FR-S, 980 mi, 2 weeks - repaired, MI
160. v3rgil, GT86, 300 km, repaired, South Africa
161.
ron_jeremy, FR-S, 40 mi, 7093XX, in shop, KS
162.
M3power326, FR-S, 3208 mi, 7084XX, IL
163.
MikesFRS, FR-S, 5023 mi, 7080XX, 1 week - repaired, CA
164. beardy,
GT86, 987 mi, 4 weeks - repaired, Sweden
165.
jmelgar23, BRZ, 2434 mi, 6029XX, in shop, NY
166. WhiteFR-S,
BRZ, 987 mi, PA
167. forwallblakmail,
BRZ, 5700 mi, 6017XX, PA
168.
Hachi-roku, FR-S, 1893 mi, in shop, TX
169.
mbaexec, FR-S, 260 mi, 7079XX , in shop, MD
170.
raul, FR-S, 3893 mi, 7080XX, 1 week - repaired, FL
171.
Space_Boy_Matt, BRZ, 2050 mi, 6033XX, 0.5 weeks - repaired, CA
172. FoolCyclist,
BRZ, 3630 mi, 6003XX, in shop, FL
173.
BrewCity-FR-S, FR-S, 1523 mi, 7073XX, 0.5 weeks - repaired, WI
174. SpeedmasterBRZ, BRZ, 1500 mi,
602XXX, 3 weeks - repaired, UT
175. Svx, BRZ, 1200 mi,
6035XX, 1.5 weeks - repaired, VA
176.
rhysmcinerney, GT86, 1200 km, 0063XX, Australia
177. artizhay, FR-S, 3000 mi, TX
178. Jase, GT86, Australia
179.
EJ33177, FR-S, 7313 mi, 7075XX, 4.5 weeks - repaired (2 ECUs), MD
180. nashsnazzy, FR-S, 2600 mi, 7076XX, in shop, TN
181. crazyfrenchbiker, FR-S, 2600 mi,
7086XX, in shop, NE
182. Curt_Aigner, FR-S, 4015 mi, 2 weeks - repaired, IL
183. WheelDude.com, FR-S, 2800 mi, in shop, CA
184. Sir_Alex, FR-S, VA
185. BCooke, BRZ, in shop, TX
186. TheSt|G, BRZ, 1050 mi, 6034XX, PA
187. AVOturboworld, FR-S, 2700 mi, WA
188. SocalBurt, FR-S, 4000 mi, in shop, CA
189. Fizzle, FR-S, 700 mi, 2.5 weeks - repaired, CA
190. Joesuede, FR-S, CA
191. Little_Red_FR-S, FR-S, 2400 mi, 0.5 weeks - repaired, NJ
192. AX_FRS, FR-S, 0.5 weeks - repaired, TX
193. ironchef, FR-S, 2300 mi, 6 weeks - repaired, GA
194. staycrushing, FR-S, CA
195. IShouldStudy, FR-S, repaired, CA
196. industrial, BRZ, 5500 mi, 6003XX, 0.5 weeks - repaired, MA
197. diirk, BRZ, 3437 mi, 6032XX, CA
198. knewsom32, FR-S, TX
199.
JSUB, BRZ, 1246 km, 0.5 weeks - repaired, Canada
200. BR_Zenith, BRZ,
820 mi, 6030XX, 0.5 weeks - repaired, ME
201. GregV, BRZ, 3300 mi, 6020XX, 0.5 weeks - repaired, NJ
202. tvpr, FR-S,
4330 mi, 7084XX, 0.5 weeks - repaired, PA
203. arucard77, FR-S, 3000 mi, 0.5 weeks - repaired, FL
204.
Red_Shift, BRZ, 1500 mi, 6032XX, 2 weeks - repaired, PA
205. FT86Dubai, GT86, 1100 km, 2 weeks - repaired, UAE
206. Squishy,
BRZ, 4715 mi, 6029XX, TX
207.
E_br4ke, FRS, 2860 mi, 0.5 weeks - repaired, TX
208. ToyToyTT, GT86, repaired, Philippines

209. tuckdaddy, FR-S, 5800 mi, 4 weeks - repaired, TX
210.
ebphoto, FR-S, 7700mi, 0.5 weeks - repaired, FL
211. TurnOne (2nd car), BRZ, 6500 mi, 6034XX, OH
212. fender2819, FR-S, 0.5 weeks - repaired, PA
213.
boucher, FR-S, 5984 mi, 7088XX, 2 weeks - repaired, LA
214. skillcraft,
FR-S, 2700 mi, 7074XX, in shop, CA
215. acro, GT86, 1200 km, 0.5 weeks - repaired
216.
mike_ander, FR-S, 2631 mi, 7088XX, 1 week - repaired, TN
217. luscious, FR-S, 8100 mi, CA
218. Realm, FR-S, 6100 mi, MS
219. kroarke,
BRZ, 8467 mi, 6009XX, 0.5 weeks - repaired, FL
220. Adeets, BRZ, 7300 mi, 6031XX, 1 week - repaired, PA
221. gara3een, GT86, Jordan
222. royer23, FR-S, 2392 mi, repaired, CA
223.
themanatuf, FR-S, 8415 mi, 7089XX, 0.5 weeks - repaired, FL
224. DTM, FR-S, 4000 mi, 7092XX, 1 day - repaired, VA
225. MVJ1975, FR-S, 9100 mi, 7012XX, 2 weeks - repaired, VA
226.
xfire0384, FR-S, 5400 mi, 7078XX, 1 day - repaired, CA
227. jupillam, FR-S, in shop, CA
228. typeray12, BRZ, 300 mi, 6029XX,
0.5 weeks - repaired, CA
229.
firehawk, GT86, 4043 km, 0068XX, 1 week - repaired, Finland
230. JDMrolla, FR-S, in shop, VA

231. mvpstigma, FR-S, 2700 mi,
7080XX, in shop, VA
232. rawr, FR-S, 10100 mi, 7070XX, 0.5 weeks - repaired, CA
233. lowellm, BRZ, 1200 mi, 6032XX, 0.5 weeks - repaired, WA
234. WS12888, FR-S, 11000 km, 7067XX, 2 weeks - repaired, Canada
235. Touge_ninja, FR-S, 8780 mi, WA
236. aghuman, FR-S, 900 km, 1 week - repaired, Canada
237. coastermikey, BRZ, 17452 mi,
in shop - catastrophic engine failure, MD
238.
redleader, FR-S, 9000 mi, 7076XX, 1 day - repaired, AZ
239. SubieNate, BRZ, 15200 mi, in shop, CA
240. TOTO_86, FR-S, in shop, CA
241.
jabingb, FR-S, 150 mi, 7188XX, in shop, CA
242. Arthur_Dent, FR-S, 2100 mi, 7140XX, in shop, FL
243.
grodenglaive, FR-S, 11000 mi, 7066XX, Canada
244. canuckbrz, FR-S, 6000 km, in shop, Canada
245. Bleevin, FR-S, 9000 km, in shop, Canada
246. Brzzee, BRZ, 1850 mi, 0443XX, in shop, TX
247.
sidetrak06, BRZ, 8400 mi, 6035XX, 0.5 weeks - repaired, CO
248.
overeducatedunderacheiver, FR-S, 8000 km, in shop - catastrophic engine failure, Canada
249.
Turkish, BRZ, 5600 mi, in shop, 6070XX, in shop, TX
250. MattF, FR-S, SC
251.
becciejay, BRZ, 13000 km, in shop, Australia
252. downshift, BRZ, 2000 mi, 6089XX, vehicle returned to dealer, MA
253. GeekB, BRZ, 10000 mi, CA
254. PGASUS, GT86, 900 km, 0147XX, 1 week - in shop, Australia
255. Nothing, FR-S, NC
256. xarnyz, FR-S, 10 mi, repaired, CA
257. Yamajee, GT86, Dubai
258. shiro, FR-S, 6000 mi,
in shop - catastrophic engine failure, NE
259. eikond, BRZ, 8500 mi, in shop, MI

260. FR-S_Trev, FR-S, 45000 km, engine replaced - catastrophic engine failure, Canada
261. Turkish, BRZ, 11150 mi,
vehicle replaced - multiple repair attempts, TX
262. Eddie, BRZ, 6000 km, 6030XX, Canada
263. Snowblind, FR-S,
vehicle to be replaced
264. kidgogeta, FR-S, 20886 km, Canada
265. vubaru, BRZ, 6023XX, in shop, CA
266.
ron_n_tx, FR-S, 1425 mi, 7344XX, in shop, TX
267.
ill86, FR-S, 16000 mi, in shop - catastrophic engine failure, PA
268.
irvin1958, FR-S, 1751 mi, 7013XX, in shop, FL
269.
Hardpack, FR-S, 650 mi, in shop, WA
270. DJC
, FR-S, 4800 km, in shop, Canada
271. Blackshark86, FR-S, 4700 mi, in shop
272. kfcheung, BRZ, 147 km, in shop, Canada
273.
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Mine's on the 3rd week in the shop as well. Parts are on back-order. VVTi Cam gear and Oil control valve are what they claimed to be replacing. Waiting on gaskets which are on back-order, apparently.

Awesome idea, I think this is a good candidate to be stickied. I have a feeling this is a lot more prevalent than Scion/Subaru would like to admit.

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The last six of the VIN is the unique vehicle identifier, not the last four. If you're going to have posters blank out the last two digits, you should ask for the last six digits to track production dates accurately.
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It's never good when there's no rhyme or reason to the VINs. That usually means it's an engineering problem, right?
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You could create a google docs form like the ended up doing for the ecu flash group buy. Have all the questions and let everyone fill it out for you. Great idea and good scrubbing of the threads!

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Engineering or unidentified production issue.
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Just an FYI. FR-S last 6 start with 70, BRZ starts with 60, so if you posted what type of car you have, the last 4 will suffice.
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30 as of Saturday the 25th, wow.

I'm surprised there are that many. What has been the fix for these? Is it the ECU or the cam sensors or something else?
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30 as of Saturday the 25th, wow.

I'm surprised there are that many. What has been the fix for these? Is it the ECU or the cam sensors or something else?
Adjusted to 29 since I had a duplicate entry, but still high considering the small percentage of owners on this forum. The fix has either been the VVT cam sprocket replacement, misc. sensors/valve associated with the VVT system, a new ECU, or a combination of those parts. Toyota and Subaru have not been consistent with the replacement of parts to date but a majority have been getting the VVT cam sprocket.
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Folks, my goal is document the number of owners, their mileage, status of their cars along with other pertinent info. I was planning on doing this privately in Excel, but would rather keep a running list in this thread. I feel it would be a good snapshot to help understand the severity and broad reach of this problem.

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While this idle issue may manifest itself as an initial dip, please only add your name if you have experienced a combination of the check engine light (CEL) and slip light (SL) in addition to the RPM hunting at idle (often severe shaking and stalling). The code your ECU should have stored is P0019 (also optional P0017, P0018).

Please post the following:
username, FR-S or BRZ, mileage of occurrence, last six of VIN (use XX for last two), duration of repair [3 weeks, in shop, etc.], location [state, country, etc.], other comments [repeat occurrence, items replaced, etc.]

Please let me know if you would like to see additional information. Also, please keep the postings on topic and for the list only. The "Idle Issue" thread is good for general discussion. Thanks everyone.

Note, if you want your name removed, let me know.

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1. eurospeed, FR-S, 140 mi, 7075XX, in shop, CT
2. primo, BRZ, 20 mi, 6027XX, in shop, CA
3. danthedirt, FR-S, 2000 mi, 1 week - repaired, CA
4. Hammer, BRZ, 6026XX, CA
5. LaserMon, FR-S, 22 km, Canada
6. Vracer111, FR-S, TX
7. benzaholic, FR-S, 700 mi, TX
8. Mr.Roboto, FR-S, 30 mi, CA
9. Yruyur, FR-S, 5700 mi, AZ
10. alrashwa, FR-S, 300 mi, 7073XX, in shop, WA
11. tintumz22, FR-S, 10 mi, repaired, CA
12. Scooby_South, BRZ, WI
13. soconfoozed, BRZ, 3500 mi, in shop, CA
14. oxygen, FR-S, 2700 mi, 7008XX, NE
15. siXXtoes, FR-S, 7066XX, SD
16. Shizzaw, FR-S, 200 mi, in shop, CA
17. QFry, FR-S, 230 mi, CO
18. amox, FR-S, 240 mi, CA
19. Vonsamhain, CA
20. 01s0uljah, BRZ, 40 km, Canada
21. STEVEOSTI, BRZ, Canada
22. ShadowSeraph, FR-S, 1000 mi, WI
23. whiteout_fr-s, FR-S, 25 mi, catastrophic engine failure, MA
24. ubersoph, BRZ, WI
25. Stu_L_Tissimus, BRZ, NY
26. mark7s4, FR-S, FL
27. Tricky1980, FR-S, 76 mi, 7077XX, IA
28. Z06tofrs, FR-S, 400 mi, 7067XX, FL
29. number1Tango, FR-S, 63 mi, 7075XX, CA
30. egraphic, FR-S, 520 mi, 7077XX, CA, CEL/SEL/RPM hunting, in shop one week as of today - camshaft bearing known to have been replaced, engineers from Toyota main office out twice last week, no ETA for completion
31.
32.
My addition:
egraphic, FR-S, 520 mi, 7077XX, CA, CEL/SEL/RPM hunting, in shop one week as of today - camshaft bearing known to have been replaced, engineers from Toyota main office out twice last week, no ETA for completion

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My problems started as soon as I picked up my car on Tuesday of last week.
Around 8 miles on the clock when CEL/SL came on.
No doubt a shameful record..
Experienced idle dip, shudder, loss of power, near stalling, bogging down..

Just called the service dept. today and they are expecting the parts to come in on Wednesay (coming from New York).

They will be replacing a camshaft position sensor and another sensor. They told me the camshaft sensor is a larger, sealed unit. I don't know what that means but I guess it includes many parts. They said it's a pretty big job and that toyota is aware of the problem (obviously).
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My problems started as soon as I picked up my car on Tuesday of last week.
Around 8 miles on the clock when CEL/SL came on.
No doubt a shameful record..

Just called the service dept. today and they are expecting the parts to come in on Wednesay.

They will be replacing a camshaft position sensor and another sensor. They told me the camshaft sensor is a larger, sealed unit. I don't know what that means but I guess it includes many parts. They said it's a pretty big job and that toyota is aware of the problem (obviously).
I honestly wouldn't drive the car any further than it takes you to deliver it to the dealership. Because of the number of reported incidents, I suspect that the only way you will be truly "in the queue" is if they take possession of the car and hand you keys to a loaner - the dealer has skin in the game at that point. More importantly, several of the posts here suggest that additional damage has occurred in some cases as the car continued to be driven.

Just my 2 cents...

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Folks, my goal is document the number of owners, their mileage, status of their cars along with other pertinent info. I was planning on doing this privately in Excel, but would rather keep a running list in this thread. I feel it would be a good snapshot to help understand the severity and broad reach of this problem.

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While this idle issue may manifest itself as an initial dip, please only add your name if you have experienced a combination of the check engine light (CEL) and slip light (SL) in addition to the RPM hunting at idle (often severe shaking and stalling). The code your ECU should have stored is P0019 (also optional P0017, P0018).

Please post the following:
username, FR-S or BRZ, mileage of occurrence, last six of VIN (use XX for last two), duration of repair [3 weeks, in shop, etc.], location [state, country, etc.], other comments [repeat occurrence, items replaced, etc.]

Please let me know if you would like to see additional information. Also, please keep the postings on topic and for the list only. The "Idle Issue" thread is good for general discussion. Thanks everyone.

Note, if you want your name removed, let me know.

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1. eurospeed, FR-S, 140 mi, 7075XX, in shop, CT
2. primo, BRZ, 20 mi, 6027XX, in shop, CA
3. danthedirt, FR-S, 2000 mi, 1 week - repaired, CA
4. Hammer, BRZ, 6026XX, CA
5. LaserMon, FR-S, 22 km, Canada
6. Vracer111, FR-S, TX
7. benzaholic, FR-S, 700 mi, TX
8. Mr.Roboto, FR-S, 30 mi, CA
9. Yruyur, FR-S, 5700 mi, AZ
10. alrashwa, FR-S, 300 mi, 7073XX, in shop, WA
11. tintumz22, FR-S, 10 mi, repaired, CA
12. Scooby_South, BRZ, WI
13. soconfoozed, BRZ, 3500 mi, in shop, CA
14. oxygen, FR-S, 2700 mi, 7008XX, NE
15. siXXtoes, FR-S, 7066XX, SD
16. Shizzaw, FR-S, 200 mi, in shop, CA
17. QFry, FR-S, 230 mi, CO
18. amox, FR-S, 240 mi, CA
19. Vonsamhain, CA
20. 01s0uljah, BRZ, 40 km, Canada
21. STEVEOSTI, BRZ, Canada
22. ShadowSeraph, FR-S, 1000 mi, WI
23. whiteout_fr-s, FR-S, 25 mi, catastrophic engine failure, MA
24. ubersoph, BRZ, WI
25. Stu_L_Tissimus, BRZ, NY
26. mark7s4, FR-S, FL
27. Tricky1980, FR-S, 76 mi, 7077XX, IA
28. Z06tofrs, FR-S, 400 mi, 7067XX, FL
29. number1Tango, FR-S, 63 mi, 7075XX, CA
30.
31.
32.

bazi, FR-S, 25mile, 7077xx, first day at the shop, NC, USA; CEL and SL came on, sputtering, crackling, dealer working on it.
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This is much bigger than I expected. If there are this many here on the forum it makes me wonder how many there really are.

I hope my car is ok when it gets here on Friday.
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bazi, FR-S, 25mile, 7077xx, first day at the shop, NC, USA; CEL and SL came on, sputtering, crackling, dealer working on it.
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Folks, my goal is document the number of owners, their mileage, status of their cars along with other pertinent info. I was planning on doing this privately in Excel, but would rather keep a running list in this thread. I feel it would be a good snapshot to help understand the severity and broad reach of this problem.

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While this idle issue may manifest itself as an initial dip, please only add your name if you have experienced a combination of the check engine light (CEL) and slip light (SL) in addition to the RPM hunting at idle (often severe shaking and stalling). The code your ECU should have stored is P0019 (also optional P0017, P0018).

Please post the following:
username, FR-S or BRZ, mileage of occurrence, last six of VIN (use XX for last two), duration of repair [3 weeks, in shop, etc.], location [state, country, etc.], other comments [repeat occurrence, items replaced, etc.]

Please let me know if you would like to see additional information. Also, please keep the postings on topic and for the list only. The "Idle Issue" thread is good for general discussion. Thanks everyone.

Note, if you want your name removed, let me know.

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1. eurospeed, FR-S, 140 mi, 7075XX, in shop, CT
2. primo, BRZ, 20 mi, 6027XX, in shop, CA
3. danthedirt, FR-S, 2000 mi, 1 week - repaired, CA
4. Hammer, BRZ, 6026XX, CA
5. LaserMon, FR-S, 22 km, Canada
6. Vracer111, FR-S, TX
7. benzaholic, FR-S, 700 mi, TX
8. Mr.Roboto, FR-S, 30 mi, CA
9. Yruyur, FR-S, 5700 mi, AZ
10. alrashwa, FR-S, 300 mi, 7073XX, in shop, WA
11. tintumz22, FR-S, 10 mi, repaired, CA
12. Scooby_South, BRZ, WI
13. soconfoozed, BRZ, 3500 mi, in shop, CA
14. oxygen, FR-S, 2700 mi, 7008XX, NE
15. siXXtoes, FR-S, 7066XX, SD
16. Shizzaw, FR-S, 200 mi, in shop, CA
17. QFry, FR-S, 230 mi, CO
18. amox, FR-S, 240 mi, CA
19. Vonsamhain, CA
20. 01s0uljah, BRZ, 40 km, Canada
21. STEVEOSTI, BRZ, Canada
22. ShadowSeraph, FR-S, 1000 mi, WI
23. whiteout_fr-s, FR-S, 25 mi, catastrophic engine failure, MA
24. ubersoph, BRZ, WI
25. Stu_L_Tissimus, BRZ, NY
26. mark7s4, FR-S, FL
27. Tricky1980, FR-S, 76 mi, 7077XX, IA
28. Z06tofrs, FR-S, 400 mi, 7067XX, FL
29. number1Tango, FR-S, 63 mi, 7075XX, CA
30.
31.
32.


You should give this feedback to toyota to look into it
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My code is p0019.. Idle is hunting, if any one wants to see a video let me know..
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There is a chance that a higher-up from Toyota or Subaru has seen this thread already, but Moto is someone that can probably ensure that someone with some authority can see it...might want to pm him
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update on mine- one week in the shop, change cam sensor and ecu at 200 miles, no issues now at 1100 miles
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Glancing at the VINs, they seem to be in the 2600-2700s for the BRZs and the 7000s for the FRSs. Though I see that single 800ish FRS entry.
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Add me to the list. Problem started with about 250 miles. Dropped at dealer today with 335 miles on it. Reset the light twice, came back within a few miles. One time both lights were illuminated and the 'traction' light went out for a few seconds, then came back on. CEL was on the whole time. FR-S VIN#7969.

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Looks like we have a couple cases of the issue being repaired and failing again post-repair. I'm asking soconfoozed and Hammer for more details on their last status updates. Already printing out the Washington State lemon laws for mine. I think I'm done with this car.
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