My AP Exhaust Problems!

[White64Goat]

Nor sure why they wouldn't use a regular heavy duty pipe clamp between the Y and the right can. It looks like there are two different angles there where they meet and that didn't help either. While the design is very similar to the SRT, execution appears less than satisfactory. If you've had this much problem, I'd have to imagine there are others out there that may be experiencing the same problem, unless there's been a design change.

[Ranatsu]

Well from what I gather looking at the SRT exhaust, it is a slip fit and the clamp goes on over the top of that to hold it together..

Pccaso87 has stated that his was essentially a butt connection, as in one pipe wasn't flared out to accept the other. To me it sounds like they just forgot to flare the pipe.

[Sportsguy83]

Originally Posted by EZWood

I agree with you on the way the back section is put together, it doesn't make sense. Maybe I don't have all the info, but from the info you put up, and you did say that you are being as transparent as possible on the info, I gathered that you didn't tighten something on the exhaust and it fell off as a result, then you just drove as your exhaust that you paid $850 for dradded along the ground. Maybe next time you describe a situation you could include all the details so people don't jump to conclusions.

Or you could just ask for more information before jumping to said conclusions.

[Sccabrz192]

Originally Posted by Ranatsu

Well from what I gather looking at the SRT exhaust, it is a slip fit and the clamp goes on over the top of that to hold it together..

Pccaso87 has stated that his was essentially a butt connection, as in one pipe wasn't flared out to accept the other. To me it sounds like they just forgot to flare the pipe.

Butt joint and Lap joint are 2 different styles. SRT and AP do not use the same method. If you use a butt joint, the pipes should "butt" up against each other in order for the clamp to not take any force. The ONLY force the clamp should see is the clamping force it exerts on the pipes based on the torque you apply. These clamps are sometimes INAPPROPRIATELY used to mask poor build quality and bad quality control by soaking up pipe length tolerance such that when installed, the user can adjust the final distance. When you do this, the clamp becomes a pipe, which it is not designed to do. It will become weak, tear, or loosen and fail in one way or another.

Lap joints with lap clamps on the other hand are designed for the one tube to be swagged, the other pipe is inserted into it, then the lap band is placed over the joint. This means the clamp is ONLY a clamp, and the overlap of the tube guarantees the clamp is never a pipe. In some instances you can do a lap joint and not even need a clamp, like in the joint of a H-pipe.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by Sccabrz192

Butt joint and Lap joint are 2 different styles. SRT and AP do not use the same method. If you use a butt joint, the pipes should "butt" up against each other in order for the clamp to not take any force. The ONLY force the clamp should see is the clamping force it exerts on the pipes based on the torque you apply. These clamps are sometimes INAPPROPRIATELY used to mask poor build quality and bad quality control by soaking up pipe length tolerance such that when installed, the user can adjust the final distance. When you do this, the clamp becomes a pipe, which it is not designed to do. It will become weak, tear, or loosen and fail in one way or another.

Lap joints with lap clamps on the other hand are designed for the one tube to be swagged, the other pipe is inserted into it, then the lap band is placed over the joint. This means the clamp is ONLY a clamp, and the overlap of the tube guarantees the clamp is never a pipe. In some instances you can do a lap joint and not even need a clamp, like in the joint of a H-pipe.

The other thing with a proper slip (lap) joint is there is a recommended minimum overlap. I've read that an overlap length of 2 to 3 times the tube's diameter for maximum reliability. On the AP they have a lap for the second (right side that fell off) muffler there is hardly any overlap at all, maybe 1/2 times diameter, and no reinforcement for the clamping tabs.

There is a right way to do lightweight, reliable slip joints.

[armythug]

Originally Posted by SubaSteve

I'm a little disappointed in the way vivid responded. I expect vendors to respond in a respectable manner and not in a personal way. You are currently representing your company please do so in an appropriate way.

Also why is it okay that they all use the same account? I like how perrin has separate accounts for each person. I have to say I like John from vivid but noone else seems to measure up.

I can see what you're saying but at the end of the day we're all human and we can get pushed to the limit. I provide support to a customer as an IT professional and I try my best to maintain a professional attitude at all times. But sometimes when you feel like you're getting slandered, mistreated, or misrepresented, you react maybe not in the most disciplined manner. I have seen Vivid and a few others get bashed over and over in this forum. And I don't blame them for showing signs of anger or frustration towards a customer that's bashing them. I can relate to it. Even though it's not a good look. People are very hard to please. We can only try our best.

[White64Goat]

Originally Posted by Ranatsu

Well from what I gather looking at the SRT exhaust, it is a slip fit and the clamp goes on over the top of that to hold it together..

Pccaso87 has stated that his was essentially a butt connection, as in one pipe wasn't flared out to accept the other. To me it sounds like they just forgot to flare the pipe.

Slip connection on the SRT is between the mid-pipe and the axle back section, everything else from the slip joint back is welded.

[Ranatsu]

Originally Posted by White64Goat

Slip connection on the SRT is between the mid-pipe and the axle back section, everything else from the slip joint back is welded.

I was simply comparing the different uses of the clamp since someone brought up the SRT exhaust.

[EZWood]

Originally Posted by Sportsguy83

Or you could just ask for more information before jumping to said conclusions.

Give me a break, people screw up all the time and pcasso screwed up by not securing his exhaust all the way which is obviously vivid/AP's fault. It's always their fault no matter what. This guy needs to act like an adult and accept that he didn't install his exhaust properly and it fell apart as a result.

[track_warrior]

Originally Posted by EZWood

Give me a break, people screw up all the time and pcasso screwed up by not securing his exhaust all the way which is obviously vivid/AP's fault. It's always their fault no matter what. This guy needs to act like an adult and accept that he didn't install his exhaust properly and it fell apart as a result.

Wow man, you are literally on their nuts badly. Did you read my last description on what happened or you made me write all that just for nothing? You need to man up and stop being a little fan boy and accept the truth, their product failed.

Originally Posted by armythug

I can see what you're saying but at the end of the day we're all human and we can get pushed to the limit. I provide support to a customer as an IT professional and I try my best to maintain a professional attitude at all times. But sometimes when you feel like you're getting slandered, mistreated, or misrepresented, you react maybe not in the most disciplined manner. I have seen Vivid and a few others get bashed over and over in this forum. And I don't blame them for showing signs of anger or frustration towards a customer that's bashing them. I can relate to it. Even though it's not a good look. People are very hard to please. We can only try our best.

I was always respect full but it seems like Sean felt empowered when he thought he had me by the balls because my exhaust failed and i needed a replacement.

[chulooz]

Ive posted about Agency Powers past blunders and how they are recieved in other communities... but I think those got deleted. This doesnt come as a surprise to me at all, sorry to see it happenin, good luck with a new exhaust.

[EZWood]

Originally Posted by pcasso87

Wow man, you are literally on their nuts badly. Did you read my last description on what happened or you made me write all that just for nothing? You need to man up and stop being a little fan boy and accept the truth, their product failed.



I was always respect full but it seems like Sean felt empowered when he thought he had me by the balls because my exhaust failed and i needed a replacement.

Not that you need to explain yourself to me, but I still haven't seen an explanation as to what you initially didn't tighten to make it fall off in the first place.

[g0lden]

As cool as the bolt it together yourself, and not go to the muffler shop sounds. I'd recommend against it every single day!
I had a Mustang GT and I went through several x-pipes, and cat-back setups, and every single one that had the bolt and clamp stuff sucked. Take it to the muffler shop, have them line it up, then hit it with some solid welds.

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[track_warrior]

Originally Posted by EZWood

Not that you need to explain yourself to me, but I still haven't seen an explanation as to what you initially didn't tighten to make it fall off in the first place.

Did you bother to take a look at my post at all? Do the words benefit of the doubt ring a bell? Im not going to explain my self again so read post #94 slowly and repeat if necessary until you understand. If not possible ask some one to read it for you and explain it. I thought you even understanded that the right canister had not been damaged only the mid pipe and that started popping off as well. Even the AP rep said they would follow my advice and take a look at their connection fittings. I manned up and purchased a new exhaust instead of sending mine in to AP and hope for them to be able to fix it. Do you even track your car? Go do it every weekend and see if it falls off, if you were one of the first ones to receive an AP catback im sure you will be posting a thread similar to mine.



Here was your response:

Originally Posted by EZWood

I agree with you on the way the back section is put together, it doesn't make sense. Maybe I don't have all the info, but from the info you put up, and you did say that you are being as transparent as possible on the info, I gathered that you didn't tighten something on the exhaust and it fell off as a result, then you just drove as your exhaust that you paid $850 for dradded along the ground. Maybe next time you describe a situation you could include all the details so people don't jump to conclusions.