News for Australians!!! - Pricing

[70NYD]

Originally Posted by AIRMAX

LOL

Golf GTI is $39,990 RETAIL price, but drive away is 45K, WITHOUT any OPTIONS.... Ideal OPTIONED model drive away is 50K.



And Thats what I'm afraid of.... basically the market here in Oz is expecting a "AWESOME HANDLING" car that LOOKS "AWESOME"... but ONLY willing to pay the price of a High End Corolla or a Mid-Spec Camry.

This is merely a DREAM.

I actually am surprise if its released at 39,990 AUD, then Drive away price is 43K.... thats NOT BAD.

If someone ask me if I want a sporty car that's under 50K.... and I have the FT-86, GTI, WRX, Megane RS, Lancer GSR to choose from.... I'd more likely to pick the FT-86.... assuming the POWER is ATLEAST 150kW (200HP).


With the WRX as a very close 2nd and Megane at 3rd.


We have to keep remembering that the Sylvia (S15) was released at around 45K-50K and that was Turbo 180kW (250hp~260hp).... how do you expect a 150kW (assumed) 2011 Model Sports car to be under 40K... is beyond logic.

Toyota pricing it same or close to that of Mazda MX-5 (Miata) is a FAIR decision.

370Z is 70K AUD drive away, RX-8 is 55K AUD drive away etc..

FT-86 is still a good 15-20K cheaper.... for a better looking car that is lighter and more responsive to the driver.... less power, but also LESS weight.

Hm, so how long have you been working for Toyota?
whatever they are paying you to promote their stupid marketing decisions in Australia, it is way too much.

[tenyearguarantee]

stumbled on this website and thread because i was interested in the ft86 (im in aus). Read as WAS. If there is some turbo STI model for 45 - 55k yeah id be keen. Rather a second hand IS350 for 65k.
NA version ft86 at 35, yeah id pay that. but if the speculation here is true, then I'm not touching it. The premise of a cheap, sports car with the enthusiast in mind, would be destroyed with a price tag of over 35k.

[Zgrinch]

Originally Posted by Zgrinch

I tend to agree with airmax. I think they will price it just below base price for a Z, which the base Z coupe is $31,450. So, I see this car's base starting price around 28,500 and fully loaded going for 36,500.

No way fully decked out ride will be less than 33k

I guess to be clear, I was speaking in terms of US price. My pricing was based on the idea that if indeed this car is going to be offered three ways (Toyota, Scion, Subaru), don't you think they might have Scion at the very low end, Subaru as a mid level offering, and then Toyota at the high end, meaning leather, NAV, etc ??

What does everyone else think? Will there be three different brands of this car?

[suprachica79]

Originally Posted by Zgrinch

I guess to be clear, I was speaking in terms of US price. My pricing was based on the idea that if indeed this car is going to be offered three ways (Toyota, Scion, Subaru), don't you think they might have Scion at the very low end, Subaru as a mid level offering, and then Toyota at the high end, meaning leather, NAV, etc ??

What does everyone else think? Will there be three different brands of this car?

No, there will be 2 brands in any one country. Corretc me if I'm wrong guys but-

US (Canada?) - Scion or Subaru
Everywhere else - Toyota or Subaru

From all accounts, the Scion here in US and Toyota everywhere else will be identical, aside from badges but as everything else on here is, this is all speculation.

[AIRMAX]

Originally Posted by 70NYD

Prices of cars/anything are dependent on the local Economy, and shipping. With Australians earning much more than Americans on average, Australia having absolutely NO manufacturing capabilities for the automotive industry(driving on the other side of the world doesnt help) and being a fucking island, ofcourse everything here is more expensive, including cars..

Lol

- Australia has a significant Automotive Industry, big enough for it to have 3 design centers and R&D HQ from 3 BIG OEMs.

- Australia has a BIG array of automotive suppliers, with capable skills and knowdledge comparable to other countries' level.



The CONS are.
- Manufacturing Unions, Australian Unions are unrealistic. They are blind to that of other nation's manufacturing policies hence they dont see the negativities they bring to the industry... such as OEMs more incline to make plants over seas... which affects the amount of cars that can be manufactured in Australia.... Manufactured Cars in Australia = cheaper, no import tax etc.

- Australian Labour workers get paid WAY MORE than chinese, thai, south african workers.... big NO NO to OEMs also.

- Australian population and market for cars.... TINY compared to USA, Germany, Japan etc... where its common to see 300K sales of a particular car model... In Australia a successful year would see around 100K cars sold.

- Australians do not get paid much more than Americans.
American average salary/wage (white collar workers) is around 60K USD. Australian (white collar workers) is around 65K AUD. And AUD is pretty much same if not slightly more than USD at the moment.

Average Australian blue collar worker however has higher wage than their American counter parts... due to the requirements of the Unions and such. For example, I know a Road, Construction worker who gets paid 100K AUD... with no college/university qualifications.

[AIRMAX]

Originally Posted by Type[R]+

So you'd be happy paying $40k+ for a 2wd impreza?

The FT-86 is no way near an Impreza... what you talking about? It would be released 2 years ago if its simply a a 2WD Impreza, Engineering and Evaluating it would be zinch.... not the case.


It is TINY, LOW to the ground, RWD...


I suppose an S2000 is a RWD, lower to the ground version of a standard Civic?



The FT-86 is a nice looking Coupe, light weight, RWD... with "not bad" Power Output... 200hp...

Although I must admit this is based on the rumours that it has 200hp.... I won't buy it if it has 170hp or considerably less than 200hp.


I'd buy the 2013 Subaru WRX STi.... apparently its going to be so beasty.

[70NYD]

Originally Posted by AIRMAX

Lol

- Australia has a significant Automotive Industry, big enough for it to have 3 design centers and R&D HQ from 3 BIG OEMs.

- Australia has a BIG array of automotive suppliers, with capable skills and knowdledge comparable to other countries' level.



The CONS are.
- Manufacturing Unions, Australian Unions are unrealistic. They are blind to that of other nation's manufacturing policies hence they dont see the negativities they bring to the industry... such as OEMs more incline to make plants over seas... which affects the amount of cars that can be manufactured in Australia.... Manufactured Cars in Australia = cheaper, no import tax etc.

- Australian Labour workers get paid WAY MORE than chinese, thai, south african workers.... big NO NO to OEMs also.

- Australian population and market for cars.... TINY compared to USA, Germany, Japan etc... where its common to see 300K sales of a particular car model... In Australia a successful year would see around 100K cars sold.

- Australians do not get paid much more than Americans.
American average salary/wage (white collar workers) is around 60K USD. Australian (white collar workers) is around 65K AUD. And AUD is pretty much same if not slightly more than USD at the moment.

Average Australian blue collar worker however has higher wage than their American counter parts... due to the requirements of the Unions and such. For example, I know a Road, Construction worker who gets paid 100K AUD... with no college/university qualifications.

LOL there are more unemployed people in the USA than there are people in TOTAL in australia..
american SALARY average gets pushed up significantly by certain overpaid proffesions. show me a bell chart with their earnings, or at least tell me the standard deviation for the salaries in the states for the white collar.. its easy to put a spin on anything with simple averages, in reality averages mean shit compared to the whole spread
3 OEM manufacturers.. and how many cars are actually designed here? and how many cars are actually assambled here? or made here? if there were plants here from ~10 manufacturers, that would be impressive.. this isnt europe mate, where it doesnt matter where what factory is, its all still on the same continent, and you can still physically drive to the town where the factory is from anywhere else in europe.. this is a island.. if it isnt made here, it has to be shipped here.. and there is your problem.

[Type[R]+]

Originally Posted by AIRMAX

The FT-86 is no way near an Impreza... what you talking about? It would be released 2 years ago if its simply a a 2WD Impreza, Engineering and Evaluating it would be zinch.... not the case.


It is TINY, LOW to the ground, RWD...


I suppose an S2000 is a RWD, lower to the ground version of a standard Civic?



The FT-86 is a nice looking Coupe, light weight, RWD... with "not bad" Power Output... 200hp...

Although I must admit this is based on the rumours that it has 200hp.... I won't buy it if it has 170hp or considerably less than 200hp.


I'd buy the 2013 Subaru WRX STi.... apparently its going to be so beasty.

it's a shortened impreza with lowered springs!

Come on man, you know enough about the car by now, $43k is instant fail!
I don't care how you slice it, WRX/GTI/ralliart > FT86. But hey, I'm just a realist.

[Type[R]+]

Originally Posted by 70NYD

LOL there are more unemployed people in the USA than there are people in TOTAL in australia..
american SALARY average gets pushed up significantly by certain overpaid proffesions. show me a bell chart with their earnings, or at least tell me the standard deviation for the salaries in the states for the white collar.. its easy to put a spin on anything with simple averages, in reality averages mean shit compared to the whole spread
3 OEM manufacturers.. and how many cars are actually designed here? and how many cars are actually assambled here? or made here? if there were plants here from ~10 manufacturers, that would be impressive.. this isnt europe mate, where it doesnt matter where what factory is, its all still on the same continent, and you can still physically drive to the town where the factory is from anywhere else in europe.. this is a island.. if it isnt made here, it has to be shipped here.. and there is your problem.

Not to mention the bullshit gubment protection these 'american' companies get here. It's disgusting. NZ has the idea, and cars are heaps cheap there, but no one to protect there.....

[CyberFormula]

Originally Posted by Type[R]+

it's a shortened impreza with lowered springs!

Come on man, you know enough about the car by now, $43k is instant fail!
I don't care how you slice it, WRX/GTI/ralliart > FT86. But hey, I'm just a realist.

WRX/Ralliart = FT86
GTI does not fit in the equation

[Type[R]+]

Originally Posted by CyberFormula

GTI does not fit in the equation

Does here in Aust... And fits in here: gti > ft86 lol!

We'll just wait for the car, and if it is $43k, they fail soooo hard. Seriously.

[CyberFormula]

if you're talking about price point, it fits.

other than that...GTI is just a bargain Audi A3.

to explain the perspective, the FT86 is essentially a bargain s2000 at this point with what we understand the specs to be. In regards to Weight and Balance (with FT86 having the better theoretical balance)

Will you compare GTI to an S2000 ? I wouldn't.
Performance you go with FT86.
Sporty family car you go with GTI.

But still, the performance bargain is the WRX 265.

And with regards to what the driver is looking for GTI will win the overall package category. I'm relatively sure it will BEAT ALL the competition in its price point in its "package", but will certainly lose in performance to every single other car in its price point around a circuit (Genesis coupe, Ralliart, WRX, Mazdaspeed 3, Miata, ft86)

[70NYD]

I would compare rallyart/wrx to a golf r32 rather than gti. Gti lost it's heritage and what it used to be. R32 is more in relation to the original gti these days

[Type[R]+]

Originally Posted by CyberFormula

if you're talking about price point, it fits.

other than that...GTI is just a bargain Audi A3.

to explain the perspective, the FT86 is essentially a bargain s2000 at this point with what we understand the specs to be. In regards to Weight and Balance (with FT86 having the better theoretical balance)

Will you compare GTI to an S2000 ? I wouldn't.
Performance you go with FT86.
Sporty family car you go with GTI.

It always comes down to price, and theres quite a few cars out here at that price point that *will* be better value (both performance and spec) and gti is just one of them. $30k like they first said = win. Big win!!! $40k like rumors said = serious fail. Especially for the nil luxuries, not even a cd player spec like they say.

*waits for more price/spec details*

S2k was ~$75k here, so I wouldn't compare too lol! We got no more s2k either And S2K failed here at that price too....

Can't wait to drive this car, see the spec and price. It would want to be seriously good for $43k here.... Don't think it will TBH...