BRZ and FR-S Sales Numbers Thread

[Celica00]

Originally Posted by Hanakuso

It's like what OrbitalEllipses just said. I wanted a 2nd clean and cheap S2000 but it's getting hard finding one. Yeah for someone in your position I would hope some people will do stupid rice to kill resale value. I have noticed more FRS users are doing extreme or rice things more compared to BRZ users

maybe thats cause there are 3 times the amount of them and the ricers need the cheaper of the twins to make up the difference for the monster wing. i know there was a rocket bunny kit that had the spoiler cost $1000+ alone. ouch

[Hanakuso]

Originally Posted by Celica00

maybe thats cause there are 3 times the amount of them and the ricers need the cheaper of the twins to make up the difference for the monster wing. i know there was a rocket bunny kit that had the spoiler cost $1000+ alone. ouch

You're probably right about that. It's probably true when it comes to other negative things such as accidents. You always hear about the bad news but good news is usually just boring.

[rice_classic]

Originally Posted by LIKEABOSS

But according to this article the public disagrees. The Scion TC was Named to Top 10 in 2013 Kelley Blue Book Best Resale Value Awards.

http://www.sacbee.com/2012/11/26/501...0-in-2013.html

I don't have a real good radar for how Scion is perceived in the resale market. Some tell you it's a junk brand while other situations prove the complete opposite. I remember when the first Scions hit the market they were in such demand that some used models were selling for more than new ones. My roommate owned his Xb for 6 months and sold it for more than he bought it for. I think the hype calmed while supply simultaneously caught up and this phenomenon was short lived so yeah.. Knowing things like that but then hearing others trash the brand I have a hard time knowing what to expect.

Like I said above, I think the fact that Scion is Toyota plays a major part in the whole equation and also I don't think the Scion image was hurt during the big Toyota "unintended acceleration" debacle either. Can anyone verify if I'm wrong on that. I couldn't find any data to support that those recalls hurt the Scion brand.

[matsayswhat]

Originally Posted by rice_classic

4: Uniqueness. The BRZ is the only non-awd Subaru ever (or at least in my lifetime). However there are rumors that Subaru is considering Non-awd/non-boxer cars in the future due to constraints on fuel economy.

You said "my lifetime" and I was going to come in and say "Well, ACTUALLY the GC Impreza was offered in FWD into the mid 90s (reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impreza)" and then I did the math in my head and realized that still could have been outside of your lifetime and you'd still be of driving age.

Now I just feel old.

[ggpaul]

If I start seeing this car every 5 minutes on the road then I'm ready to trade this in for an old Acura NSX lol.

[StOpNG0x]

Originally Posted by ggpaul

If I start seeing this car every 5 minutes on the road then I'm ready to trade this in for an old Acura NSX lol.

Amen to that.

Although the $25,000 starting point for this car isn't very high dollar for a car in today's market it gives hope that we won't see a high volume on the road with cheaper alternative cars (i.e. civic).

[Chupacabra]

This talk about resale and the perceived (higher) value of the BRZ vs FR-S made me think about how easy is was to sell my 4 year old tC.

53K miles and I sold it for just under $14K . It had a clean title, and was bought for $17620 plus fees. I did some minor modifications but I kept it clean. 5% avg loss per year is a pretty good number considering market conditions. A WRX from the same year also manages to hold its value year over year. A clean S2000 can also hit these numbers easily.

So, in this case the FR-S and BRZ should both hold their values high. The big factor is 2nd hand consumer response, which I don't think will be lacking. Reason one: the cars are NA ; Reason two: They have the same legendary Subaru/ Toyota build quality and reliability; and Reason three: the modifiers (both BRZ & FR-S) will condemn themselves to accepting a small loss because of the modifications to the cars and that won't degrade the entire value of the machines in the long run to stock cars. ex. Scion tC's, WRX, WRX STi, S2000.

[ggpaul]

My friend told me that $24,000 on the FR-S ($30,000 total) is a rip off. I told him to eff off. I think for the design of this car, it's HANDLING, MPG, Toyota + Subaru, limited edition and so on...makes this car worth every penny.

But yes hopefully other people will be like $24,000?! I'll just get a Camaro...As if we don't see that many already =P. But I just love having a one of a kind car where people are like WTF is that?!

[strat61caster]

I think it is priced too high, stock for stock there are faster options. I think it's worth it, as do most people here. I think it'll sell like the RX8, it'll be the hot thing for a year or two but will fade, there's no denying it's a niche market, the interest will fade once people get their fill. Every other dealer has their flagship sports cars just sitting on the lots (Mustangs, Miatas, GTI's etc.) collecting dust.

The thing I'm most worried about is long term how they keep the car "fresh" which in this day and age means bloat, guess it'll just make the first generation more valuable in the long run.

[ggpaul]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

I think it is priced too high, stock for stock there are faster options. I think it's worth it, as do most people here. I think it'll sell like the RX8, it'll be the hot thing for a year or two but will fade, there's no denying it's a niche market, the interest will fade once people get their fill. Every other dealer has their flagship sports cars just sitting on the lots (Mustangs, Miatas, GTI's etc.) collecting dust.

The thing I'm most worried about is long term how they keep the car "fresh" which in this day and age means bloat, guess it'll just make the first generation more valuable in the long run.

At the end of the day, is it really about the "faster" it is the more expensive it should be? I think the FRS gave me that realization that not everything has to be 23895328953289532975329875032 horse power. But again, we're all entitled to our own opinion. But the way I see it, for $25,000 (not including taxes), to have a sick looking car (and yes I have gotten so many positive feedbacks, and I'm sure you all have), a VERY LIGHT car, feels comfortable when driving it, and handles well; it is well worth every single penny. If it had a standard design, with 289353289532 models made every year like a Civic, a Camry, an Accord, etc. then I would understand. But I want to take into factor the way how it's designed, its aerodynamics; and everything else.

[5hairpins]

My 3 year old xB resold above market value and it was in fair shape (smoker and two accidents). A two year old xB sells for almost the same price as a new one.

The brand may play a role but the value of the car is not decided on brand alone. If it is a popular car, the resell value will be high no matter what brand it is.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by ggpaul

At the end of the day, is it really about the "faster" it is the more expensive it should be?

For us, no, you must have missed my second sentence. The bottom line is you can get more performance for the money, these things are not going to be the new Mustang that's on every corner. On paper it's basically a Miata coupe with an extra grand tacked onto the sticker.

Mark my words, in less than a year they'll be stagnating on dealer lots like every other sports car.

[rice_classic]

Originally Posted by matsayswhat

You said "my lifetime" and I was going to come in and say "Well, ACTUALLY the GC Impreza was offered in FWD into the mid 90s (reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impreza)" and then I did the math in my head and realized that still could have been outside of your lifetime and you'd still be of driving age.

Now I just feel old.

I'm 32. So I was wrong. I had it in my head that AWD was a Subaru "thing" since inception with a few exceptions but didn't think those exceptions were stateside. Learn something new everyday.

edit: Original post edited.

[ggpaul]

I would not want then to be like a mustang on every corner. Personally I think this car LOOKS better than the Miata If looks has anything to do with the price

Originally Posted by strat61caster

For us, no, you must have missed my second sentence. The bottom line is you can get more performance for the money, these things are not going to be the new Mustang that's on every corner. On paper it's basically a Miata coupe with an extra grand tacked onto the sticker.

Mark my words, in less than a year they'll be stagnating on dealer lots like every other sports car.