BRZ and FR-S Sales Numbers Thread

[SweetSandMan]

More popular than a Civic? Absolutely no chance. Outshining the Si on the other hand is certainly a possibility...especially considering how bad the current Si is.

I Tapped that

[Hanakuso]

Originally Posted by Exhaust

The BRZ will hold the most value in the long term.

In which way will it hold the most value?

[rice_classic]

Maybe it's because I'm a sales guy but... This is my favorite thread!

[rice_classic]

Originally Posted by Hanakuso

In which way will it hold the most value?

Reasons: Real, perceived, or otherwise but all will have affect to some degree.

1: BRZ Limited are a higher trim. They will always command a higher resale price. Example: A Civic EX typically has a higher resale value than a DX. The BRZ Limited is like an EX while the Premium and the FRS are like a DX (same power/chassis/performance but different luxuries).

2: "But what's in a name". Just because you or I don't care what badge is on the car doesn't mean others think like this (have you met a BMW owner lately?). There's already been dozens of threads on this forum about how people are pissed off it's a Scion and not a Toyota. Unless the Scion brand image changes in the next 5 years the "nameplate" isn't as well recognized as Subaru's. It will play a part but I don't know how measurable a part.

3: Numbers. Things that are more rare are typically more valuable, except for Diamonds because they're not rare but they are a result of a global oligopolistic cartels. Rarity holds value. This will stand true over time.

4: Uniqueness. The BRZ is the only non-awd Subaru (Edit: since the mid 1990's). However there are rumors that Subaru is considering Non-awd/non-boxer cars in the future due to constraints on fuel economy.


And back to your regularly scheduled program.

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by rice_classic

4: Uniqueness. The BRZ is the only non-awd Subaru ever (or at least in my lifetime). However there are rumors that Subaru is considering Non-awd/non-boxer cars in the future due to constraints on fuel economy.

In this country anyway. There's been FWD Subarus overseas for decades.

[rice_classic]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

In this country anyway. There's been FWD Subarus overseas for decades.

I figured as much but didn't know the details. Thanks.

[Hanakuso]

Originally Posted by rice_classic

Reasons: Real, perceived, or otherwise but all will have affect to some degree.

1: BRZ Limited are a higher trim. They will always command a higher resale price. Example: A Civic EX typically has a higher resale value than a DX. The BRZ Limited is like an EX while the Premium and the FRS are like a DX (same power/chassis/performance but different luxuries).

2: "But what's in a name". Just because you or I don't care what badge is on the car doesn't mean others think like this (have you met a BMW owner lately?). There's already been dozens of threads on this forum about how people are pissed off it's a Scion and not a Toyota. Unless the Scion brand image changes in the next 5 years the "nameplate" isn't as well recognized as Subaru's. It will play a part but I don't know how measurable a part.

3: Numbers. Things that are more rare are typically more valuable, except for Diamonds because they're not rare but they are a result of a global oligopolistic cartels. Rarity holds value. This will stand true over time.

4: Uniqueness. The BRZ is the only non-awd Subaru ever (or at least in my lifetime). However there are rumors that Subaru is considering Non-awd/non-boxer cars in the future due to constraints on fuel economy.


And back to your regularly scheduled program.

I understand what you mean but a lot of people don't care about any of those points and just want the car for the main reason it was made. A fun and cheap sports car. The FRS being roughly $2000 cheaper new will mean it's probably going be a cheaper used car.

IMO the the FRS and BRZ will hold a similar resale value compared to it's new price tag. No one knows 100% and they do it's bs.

#4 is quite the opposite. The BRZ is not the first non-AWD Subaru car, but it's the first non-FWD Scion

[rice_classic]

Originally Posted by Hanakuso

I understand what you mean but a lot of people don't care about any of those points

I know a lot of people don't care but the people who do care will be the determining factor of the market resale value. That's the point I'm making. There are often things that have no tangible value other than what's perceived that affect resale value. Good, bad or indifferent. Like I said, how many "badge swaps" have you seen on FRS's vs BRZs? Exactly.

Same thing applies to houses. I hate big yards, yard work and Koi ponds or water features but guess what... They increase property value even though I hate them. And why is this, because the value isn't determined by me, it's determined by others in the market that value these things.

Originally Posted by Hanakuso

#4 is quite the opposite. The BRZ is not the first non-AWD Subaru car, but it's the first non-FWD Scion

Very good point! I like this!



The other thing I'm looking forward to are the ricers... yes I said it... Ricers. I'm looking forward to the folks who put all kinds of stupid stuff in or on their cars to be unique or cool when in reality they've made it worse or ugly. This is great because it kills the resale value and when I'm in the market for a cheap FRS that I want to cage and turn into a race car that's what I'm looking for! Better yet, a riced out FRS with a salvage title... ooooohhhhh yeah. Also, for those of us who don't modify our cars, when we go to sell ours it will command a higher price because it's unmodified.

Oh god I wish I could get my hands on some of the Hurricane Sandy water damaged Toyobarus for cheap that'd be terrific!

but I digress... now back to your program.

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by rice_classic

The other thing I'm looking forward to are the ricers... yes I said it... Ricers. I'm looking forward to the folks who put all kinds of stupid stuff in or on their cars to be unique or cool when in reality they've made it worse or ugly. This is great because it kills the resale value and when I'm in the market for a cheap FRS that I want to cage and turn into a race car that's what I'm looking for! Better yet, a riced out FRS with a salvage title... ooooohhhhh yeah. Also, for those of us who don't modify our cars, when we go to sell ours it will command a higher price because it's unmodified.

I remember when finding an NA gen Miata was easy and cheap. Now it's easy and expensive for what you're getting. Supras, ITRs, etc. same thing.

[Hanakuso]

Originally Posted by rice_classic

I know a lot of people don't care but the people who do care will be the determining factor of the market resale value. That's the point I'm making. There are often things that have no tangible value other than what's perceived that affect resale value. Good, bad or indifferent. Like I said, how many "badge swaps" have you seen on FRS's vs BRZs? Exactly.

Same thing applies to houses. I hate big yards, yard work and Koi ponds or water features but guess what... They increase property value even though I hate them. And why is this, because the value isn't determined by me, it's determined by others in the market that value these things.

I think only time can tell what happens but I agree with what you're saying. HIDs, nicer seats, better badge. Well some might think Toyota>Subaru but I see what you mean. Like I said it's just IMO both will both resale value similarly. If anything I have a feeling the FRS will do better since the main thing right now is the FRS will probably be the lowest "base" model while more optioned/performance models like STI or TRD will come out, not to mention some minor model changes will occur. Then again all we're doing is speculating. Another point is who knows what reputation Subaru or Toyota will have in 10-20 years from now, maybe one of both will go out of business for all we know

Very good point! I like this!


The other thing I'm looking forward to are the ricers... yes I said it... Ricers. I'm looking forward to the folks who put all kinds of stupid stuff in or on their cars to be unique or cool when in reality they've made it worse or ugly. This is great because it kills the resale value and when I'm in the market for a cheap FRS that I want to cage and turn into a race car that's what I'm looking for! Better yet, a riced out FRS with a salvage title... ooooohhhhh yeah. Also, for those of us who don't modify our cars, when we go to sell ours it will command a higher price because it's unmodified.

Oh god I wish I could get my hands on some of the Hurricane Sandy water damaged Toyobarus for cheap that'd be terrific!

but I digress... now back to your program.

It's like what OrbitalEllipses just said. I wanted a 2nd clean and cheap S2000 but it's getting hard finding one. Yeah for someone in your position I would hope some people will do stupid rice to kill resale value. I have noticed more FRS users are doing extreme or rice things more compared to BRZ users

[LIKEABOSS]

Originally Posted by rice_classic

2: "But what's in a name". Just because you or I don't care what badge is on the car doesn't mean others think like this (have you met a BMW owner lately?). There's already been dozens of threads on this forum about how people are pissed off it's a Scion and not a Toyota. Unless the Scion brand image changes in the next 5 years the "nameplate" isn't as well recognized as Subaru's. It will play a part but I don't know how measurable a part.

But according to this article the public disagrees. The Scion TC was Named to Top 10 in 2013 Kelley Blue Book Best Resale Value Awards.

http://www.sacbee.com/2012/11/26/501...0-in-2013.html

[Exhaust]

Originally Posted by Hanakuso

In which way will it hold the most value?

Overall resale due to its current avaiability/demand if subaru keeps this up. Its the unicorn of the 2. fast forward 20 years, this model will be the hardest to find. Depending on how long production lasts.

[Guff]

Originally Posted by Exhaust

Overall resale due to its current avaiability/demand if subaru keeps this up. Its the unicorn of the 2. fast forward 20 years, this model will be the hardest to find. Depending on how long production lasts.

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I MISSED YOUUUUU!!!:happy0180:

[Spaceywilly]

BRZ sales should see an uptick over the next 4 months (after which I'm assuming there will be a 2014 model)

Subaru to get more BRZ coupes to sell thanks to high demand


It's no shock to us that the Subaru BRZ is selling extremely well. The insanely fun drift-happy coupe, which was joint-developed with Toyota, has captured the affection of journalists and enthusiasts alike.

To that end, Subaru of America has requested – and is set to receive – 2,000 additional BRZs over the next four months. The aim is to meet demand that has been high enough to have kept the fun-to-drive coupes on dealer lots for very almost no time at all. According to Subaru of America COO Tom Doll, "We are selling all the BRZs we can get." He continued, "We have been sold out of the car since it was introduced."

Initially going on sale in April of this year, the BRZ has been built in Japan with 500 units a month coming to the US. Those arrivals have been outpaced by demand, and Subaru of America has sold 3,120 units through October. At this point, it is unclear if the boost in models allocated to the US will continue through next year.

Subaru of America has also requested more units of the XV Crosstrek. The high-riding Impreza derivative has attracted new buyers from outside Subaru, and Doll says he would like to see sales increase from 2,000 units to 2,500 units per month. Subaru sold 3,076 examples of the XV Crosstrek through October of this year.

http://www.autoblog.com/2012/12/03/s...o-high-demand/