Battle plan for 200+ whp n/a - Tuners welcome inside

[TouchMyHonda]

Originally Posted by Opposed

In theory it should, but I don't think its been tested yet on the FA20. I know when I had my S2k, I gained almost 10whp from switching from a 2.5 to a 3", both single exit exhausts. But the db's and drone were unbearable for me...

I run a 3 inch exhaust on my NA 1.8 liter and made power.

[Opposed]

Originally Posted by TouchMyHonda

I run a 3 inch exhaust on my NA 1.8 liter and made power.

Wait, you run a 3" on a N/A 4cyl and you didn't lose tons of torque??? (/sarcasm)

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by FreshFRS

thats what i was saying, but with less power density you need to inject more fuel to compensate for the losses. it takes timing better as well generating more power.

But the density to stoich mixture ratio ends up with more power, even without the timing advantage. It sounds pretty awesome, but no E85 here.

[FreshFRS]

Originally Posted by Dimman

But the density to stoich mixture ratio ends up with more power, even without the timing advantage. It sounds pretty awesome, but no E85 here.

yeah you have run e85 way richer, thats why its less fuel efficient, BC doesnt get it but chevron 94 has no ethanol in it, so far its the best gas i've found in bc.

[himbo]

I'd love to see what other bolt ons can do with this motor...

[2forme]

Originally Posted by himbo

I'd love to see what other bolt ons can do with this motor...

I'd love to see some other bolt ons.

[aaronosaurus]

Originally Posted by Dimman

But the density to stoich mixture ratio ends up with more power, even without the timing advantage.

The larger quantity of fuel also means a higher thermal mass for absorbing the heat of the intake charge.

[seven]

updated with some additional info on the OP

[ChaChas345]

Originally Posted by Laika

This is true based on the intake shootout thread but referring ONLY to that thread/dyno, it was not very comparable to driving conditions because the dyno was done with the hood open. Some members who certainly know more about the topic than myself alluded that an open hood was beneficial more for the Injen than the other intakes.

Aside from that, a proper tune should give you the power that a good intake would have given you plus more. I believe it was 2forme (but I could be wrong) that said on his E85 tune, the difference between him breaking the 200whp and staying below it was the AFE intake. I think we also need to take from this the idea that the intake doesn't seem to play a roll until you're on E85 and trying to get the last possible WHP out.

Even with the hood open it still did more gains then all the other intakes. I dont get why people try to point out that fact when the car is driving that the engine will be a little cooler especially at high speeds.

With the hood closed another member did a dyno and it still performed great just a little less WHP. If it gains 10-13 WHP then you know with the hood closed it will still perform really well. Especially when you compare to the other intakes like Airaid, which lost power. AFE gained 4-6 WHP comparable to a drop in filter so just imagine it with the hood closed. Probably very little gain that isnt even worth getting to replace your stock air box.

In the end the Injen out performs all other intakes on the market and the only other option would be to get a drop in filter until the Perrin CAI is out. Remember another member also did a dyno with hood closed and it still performed very well. It still shows good gains which no other intake on the market can compare to right now.

[2forme]

Originally Posted by ChaChas345

Even with the hood open it still did more gains then all the other intakes. I dont get why people try to point out that fact when the car is driving that the engine will be a little cooler especially at high speeds.

With the hood closed another member did a dyno and it still performed great just a little less WHP. If it gains 10-13 WHP then you know with the hood closed it will still perform really well. Especially when you compare to the other intakes like Airaid, which lost power. AFE gained 4-6 WHP comparable to a drop in filter so just imagine it with the hood closed. Probably very little gain that isnt even worth getting to replace your stock air box.

In the end the Injen out performs all other intakes on the market and the only other option would be to get a drop in filter until the Perrin CAI is out. Remember another member also did a dyno with hood closed and it still performed very well. It still shows good gains which no other intake on the market can compare to right now.

Let me clarify some stuff. First, this engine bay heat soaks like a mother, whether moving or not. I've done extensive temperature logging both while driving and sitting.

Second, the Injen testing hasn't been done under normal operating conditions. One did the testing with the hood open, the other did the testing on fresh ecu resets. It will definitely lean a stock car out. The AFR curve is a little leaner than I would personally run, but I'm willing to bet tuned cars won't see any benefit. Might even lose a little because it's an SRI rather than a CAI.

[ChaChas345]

Originally Posted by 2forme

Let me clarify some stuff. First, this engine bay heat soaks like a mother, whether moving or not. I've done extensive temperature logging both while driving and sitting.

Second, the Injen testing hasn't been done under normal operating conditions. One did the testing with the hood open, the other did the testing on fresh ecu resets. It will definitely lean a stock car out. The AFR curve is a little leaner than I would personally run, but I'm willing to bet tuned cars won't see any benefit. Might even lose a little because it's an SRI rather than a CAI.

Well you can say the same thing about the AFE which were probably tested under the same conditions in that thread that had the 3 dynos done on the INJEN, AFE, and AIRAID.

Of the 3 the Injen had the best performance. So its safe to say that even under real world driving conditions that it has a better chance of not losing power than the other intakes on the market then AFE which got about the same performance of a drop in. The Airaid lost power so if you put those 2 also in real world conditions dont you think they would do even a lot worse?

I doubt a company so well known in this scene would release a product that would do what you insist even if it is in real world conditions with a hood closed. If thats the case why would companies even bother with Dyno's for intakes if thats the case. Obviously they do it for sales but when people also dyno them to see if what they showed was right then atleast you know they are bullshitting when they get similar results. Companies and vendors might as well not show us any dyno's on their products if that were the case.

Perrin says they are going to release a tuned intake and an intake that doesnt require tuning. So we already know that more power can be had from tuning atleast on their intake. Visconti's tune shows that intakes have minimal gain but that is for us customers to decide if its worth it or not. But what you said is basically correct about tunes/intake based on what we seen. I personally would rather get the Max Racing Intake duct or the SYMS racing intake even though its 1300 dollars I dont really care because I like the design and 1300 dollars is nothing to me. Its already been shown that drop ins are the best bet right now. Atleast until the Perrin CAI is released. In the end I will probably have to decide between Perrin, Max Racing or the SYMS intake. I would go with the Gruppe M if it was cheaper but 2300 on an intake is just too much for what it does compared to the Syms which is a grand cheaper for a little less power. Syms intake is probably at most what I would spend on this type of part. My S2K has seen its share of parts and I had no problem dropping a grand on a good intake.

I wont be goin FI anytime soon since I want to keep my warranty. So an intake/drop in is my best bet at the moment until then.

[2forme]

You have too much faith in manufacturers. The reality is those tests were skewed and not done crrectly on an even playing field. The process used would provide injen with an advantage.

Believe what you want. Buy what you want. I've been in this game far too long to just buy whatever a manufacturer is claiming. If you want to lean your car out to those levels, by all means ... Have at it. Just make sure you put IMO next to your claims.

Originally Posted by ChaChas345

Well you can say the same thing about the AFE which were probably tested under the same conditions in that thread that had the 3 dynos done on the INJEN, AFE, and AIRAID.

Of the 3 the Injen had the best performance. So its safe to say that even under real world driving conditions that it has a better chance of not losing power than the other intakes on the market then AFE which got about the same performance of a drop in. The Airaid lost power so if you put those 2 also in real world conditions dont you think they would do even a lot worse?

I doubt a company so well known in this scene would release a product that would do what you insist even if it is in real world conditions with a hood closed. If thats the case why would companies even bother with Dyno's for intakes if thats the case. Obviously they do it for sales but when people also dyno them to see if what they showed was right then atleast you know they are bullshitting when they get similar results. Companies and vendors might as well not show us any dyno's on their products if that were the case.

Perrin says they are going to release a tuned intake and an intake that doesnt require tuning. So we already know that more power can be had from tuning atleast on their intake. Visconti's tune shows that intakes have minimal gain but that is for us customers to decide if its worth it or not. But what you said is basically correct about tunes/intake based on what we seen. I personally would rather get the Max Racing Intake duct or the SYMS racing intake even though its 1300 dollars I dont really care because I like the design and 1300 dollars is nothing to me. Its already been shown that drop ins are the best bet right now. Atleast until the Perrin CAI is released. In the end I will probably have to decide between Perrin, Max Racing or the SYMS intake. I would go with the Gruppe M if it was cheaper but 2300 on an intake is just too much for what it does compared to the Syms which is a grand cheaper for a little less power. Syms intake is probably at most what I would spend on this type of part. My S2K has seen its share of parts and I had no problem dropping a grand on a good intake.

I wont be goin FI anytime soon since I want to keep my warranty. So an intake/drop in is my best bet at the moment until then.

[JoeBoxer]

Lol at "$1300 is nothing to me"

send me $1300 then and make it something to me.

[brichard0625]

My Plan for 200hp is
-e85 tune
-Motiv/invidia catless frontpipe
-Dual exit muffler delete
-UEL headers
-max racing air duct
So far my calculations for everything is about 1600 give or take..im hoping with all of these i can break the 200hp barrier.