FR-S not the FT-86?

[WingsofWar]

Originally Posted by Allch Chcar

And Toyota Celica = Touring Coupe.

now thats just trollin..

might as well call the tc a soarer, or its international name Toyota Zelas

[Allch Chcar]

Originally Posted by WingsofWar

now thats just trollin..

might as well call the tc a soarer, or its international name Toyota Zelas

. It's either a Touring Coupe or a Sporty Coupe.

But anyway, the Scion tC aka Toyota Zelas is the successor to the Toyota Celica.

And BTW the chassis code for the tC is ANT-10, whatever that means .

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by Allch Chcar

. It's either a Touring Coupe or a Sporty Coupe.

But anyway, the Scion tC aka Toyota Zelas is the successor to the Toyota Celica.

And BTW the chassis code for the tC is ANT-10, whatever that means .

Shouldn't be. Should be AZ or AR then another letter then two numbers.

[Allch Chcar]

Originally Posted by Dimman

Shouldn't be. Should be AZ or AR then another letter then two numbers.

I know, but that is it so .

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by Allch Chcar

I know, but that is it so .

From where?

Typical is engine code, chassis, variant.

MR2's over time:
AW10, 4AG(Z)E powered, MR2, first
SW20, 3SG(T)E/5SFE powered, MR2, second
ZZW30, 1ZZFE powered, MR2, third.

Edit:

Looking into it, Toyota may be dropping the second letter of their current engines and replacing it with 'N' or 'G' for some reason.

Closest thing with somewhat detailed info is the Wiki page for the tC-related (via the Avensis) Toyota Wish.

First gen Wish
ZNE1X 1ZZFE motor, E for the Wish, 1 for the generation, X is a variable number for AWD, seating cap, etc...

ANE1X 1AZFSE motor, rest the same as above.

Second gen Wish
ZGE2X 2ZRFSE or 3ZRFSE motors, E for the Wish, 2 for generation, X is the above variable

Confusing between them with the 'Z' designation because the ZZ and ZR motors are quite different (Valvematic on the ZR).

So the tC being an ANT10, I will extrapolate/guess that the second gen is an AGT20???

I guess us old-school Toyota guys are going to have to upgrade our knowledges. Damnit...

[ToyotaObsession]

Originally Posted by Type[R]+

How would you know?


why is it stupid?

I say 'here' as in 'Australia', just like they trademarked 86 'here'.

I know because if they make one more 86 reference in regards to the inspiration for this car they might as well just name it Hachiroku.

It's stupid because if they wanted a new Celica, they would be inspired by 30+ years of Celica's. Not AE86's.

[Type[R]+]

Originally Posted by ToyotaObsession

I know because if they make one more 86 reference in regards to the inspiration for this car they might as well just name it Hachiroku.

I'm sure all of us would love Hachi Roku as a name.

Originally Posted by ToyotaObsession

It's stupid because if they wanted a new Celica, they would be inspired by 30+ years of Celica's. Not AE86's.

they were, as well as Supra, which you guessed it, was a Celica....

Toyota already has the Celica name sitting there ready, no need to throw millions at a new name. No need to push marketing as much, people know Celica, and people know Celica = sporty/performance. They took years to build up that reputation, so why not use it? Not saying you guys are going to get it, but it is genuinely on the table here...

[Allch Chcar]

Originally Posted by Dimman

From where?

Typical is engine code, chassis, variant.

MR2's over time:
AW10, 4AG(Z)E powered, MR2, first
SW20, 3SG(T)E/5SFE powered, MR2, second
ZZW30, 1ZZFE powered, MR2, third.

Edit:

Looking into it, Toyota may be dropping the second letter of their current engines and replacing it with 'N' or 'G' for some reason.

Closest thing with somewhat detailed info is the Wiki page for the tC-related (via the Avensis) Toyota Wish.

First gen Wish
ZNE1X 1ZZFE motor, E for the Wish, 1 for the generation, X is a variable number for AWD, seating cap, etc...

ANE1X 1AZFSE motor, rest the same as above.

Second gen Wish
ZGE2X 2ZRFSE or 3ZRFSE motors, E for the Wish, 2 for generation, X is the above variable

Confusing between them with the 'Z' designation because the ZZ and ZR motors are quite different (Valvematic on the ZR).

So the tC being an ANT10, I will extrapolate/guess that the second gen is an AGT20???

I guess us old-school Toyota guys are going to have to upgrade our knowledges. Damnit...

The only place I could easily find it was Scion life. But there were suggestions of the Chassis code being different.

Originally Posted by Type[R]+

I'm sure all of us would love Hachi Roku as a name.

they were, as well as Supra, which you guessed it, was a Celica....

Toyota already has the Celica name sitting there ready, no need to throw millions at a new name. No need to push marketing as much, people know Celica, and people know Celica = sporty/performance. They took years to build up that reputation, so why not use it? Not saying you guys are going to get it, but it is genuinely on the table here...

It would take millions to overcome the stigma of the last few generations being FWD and then suddenly going RWD.

In this regard the HachiRoku is a much better inspiration since it was RWD till the end but that ended when the line died out. Calling it a Supra would probably just engender hostility since it is neither turbo nor powered by a 6 cylinder. Plus neither name would fit with the Scion naming scheme. I'm thinking that the FR-S could be used across both the Toyota and Scion brands ala MR-S.

[ToyotaObsession]

Originally Posted by Type[R]+

I'm sure all of us would love Hachi Roku as a name.

they were, as well as Supra, which you guessed it, was a Celica....

Toyota already has the Celica name sitting there ready, no need to throw millions at a new name. No need to push marketing as much, people know Celica, and people know Celica = sporty/performance. They took years to build up that reputation, so why not use it? Not saying you guys are going to get it, but it is genuinely NOT on the table here...

Fixed it for you. Again nobody is getting it. In the last 5 years nobody from, related too, working with, or in any way associated with Toyota has ever even hinted it will be named Celica.

If it was even a remote possibility, there would have been SOME reference too it. Even if it was only in passing something like "Oh yeah and we really liked this about "X" Celica, so we tried/did to incorporate it." No. Not once has anyone except random strangers speculating have suggested Celica or Supra. Toyota has done everything in their power to associate this with the AE86.

Quite frankly I would like to know in the face of all this evidence against naming it Celica. What makes you think it's even on the table? I'm actually curious. It just seems to fly in the face of all logic.

Again, why strain so hard at every chance to make the AE86 connection to just throw it all away and name it Celica? Naming it Corolla makes more sense than Celica.

[Type[R]+]

Originally Posted by ToyotaObsession

Fixed it for you. Again nobody is getting it. In the last 5 years nobody from, related too, working with, or in any way associated with Toyota has ever even hinted it will be named Celica.

First of all, how would you know what happens in Australia?

Second of all, you do know your USA cars are called different things in the world market?

Third of all, Mr Buttner has said the name Celica hasn't been ruled out, at the FT86II launch. He is Toyota Australia’s senior executive director sale and marketing to you...

Originally Posted by ToyotaObsession

If it was even a remote possibility, there would have been SOME reference too it. Even if it was only in passing something like "Oh yeah and we really liked this about "X" Celica, so we tried/did to incorporate it." No. Not once has anyone except random strangers speculating have suggested Celica or Supra. Toyota has done everything in their power to associate this with the AE86.

What makes you say that? There has been plenty of reference to both Supra and Celica, as well as the 2000GT.

3/4 of the Australian media is calling it the Celica. People know what a Celica is. Like: http://news.drive.com.au/drive/motor...518-1esvn.html

The select few are using the '86' trademark to suggest it's just going to be called '86'. Like: http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell...2578BC001FB9B0

Originally Posted by ToyotaObsession

Quite frankly I would like to know in the face of all this evidence against naming it Celica. What makes you think it's even on the table? I'm actually curious. It just seems to fly in the face of all logic.

Just because you haven't heard shit about Australia, doesn't mean it won't happen. As I said before, Mr Buttner talked about it at the FT86II Australian launch.

Originally Posted by ToyotaObsession

Again, why strain so hard at every chance to make the AE86 connection to just throw it all away and name it Celica? Naming it Corolla makes more sense than Celica.

I do agree with you, but the general public don't have a clue what an AE86 is.

At the end of the day, the USA car is going to be called something different to the rest of the world.

[Type[R]+]

Originally Posted by Allch Chcar

In this regard the HachiRoku is a much better inspiration since it was RWD till the end but that ended when the line died out. Calling it a Supra would probably just engender hostility since it is neither turbo nor powered by a 6 cylinder. Plus neither name would fit with the Scion naming scheme. I'm thinking that the FR-S could be used across both the Toyota and Scion brands ala MR-S.

I think Supra is definitely out, I think they still want to build another one (not LF-A).

Yeah, you guys most likely just getting FR-S as a name from what I've read. Here, it's still well and truly up in the air. FR-S has never been mentioned here, but you never know...

I'd love HachiRoku as a name (would never happen), but there's a good strong possibility that it will be called just the Toyota 86 here in Australia.

[Slide]

Type r,

I am going against you. They will not be calling this a celica.

Just like Nissan had the pulsar then changing styling and price point they decided to rename the car tida. It's too late for them to get back in the pulsar band wagon now.

Just like its too late for Toyota to get on the celica bandwagon, they changed too many things for people to draw the conlousion its a celica... Rwd, price point and styling.

Toyota Australia have more chance calling it a sprinter! And I hope they do!

[Abflug]

hm... I don´t know, but the press here is calling it the next "celica", too.

Honestly for me the last true celica was the GT4...

[Marrk]

All this debate over a name . . . .

Either you guys are not getting laid, or you are the most dedicated car enthusiasts that there ever were!

And I mean that in a nice way.