FRS stands for "FUN but REALLY SLOW"

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by Razz

You shouldn't be driving beyond your limits or at your limits on a public road.

This is what track days are for.

You could have easily killed someone on a bicycle, motorcycle or even a car.


Shame on you.

He never mentioned driving at or beyond his limits.

[Ryeong86]

Originally Posted by Draco-REX

I think there are about to be a lot of people in C Stock that are going to disagree with the slow part.

Yep! taking 1st and 2nd place with my FR-S with the stock tires

[nix]

Originally Posted by gonzo

This car was made in the image of the ae86; it's meant for windy mountain roads. Unfortunately not everyone has access to the type of roads this car was meant for. This car is meant for those tight switch backs.[

This man is spot on. I am one of those fortunate ones, the BRZ holds handles them very well especially on downhill but the brakes are a weak point.

[Ryeong86]

The reason why the OP can't appreciate the FR-S because he doesn't understand how fortunate he is and probably young as well. First off in the last 7-8 years, there hasn't been many 300 hp cars that were affordable on the road. Let's see the Mustang GT was rated at 305HP before they brought back the 5.0 and the v6 mustang was just terrible. Same thing for the camaro. Back in the late 90's early 2000's, if you had a sporty car with 200+ horsepower it was pretty fast. The Honda preludes, Honda S2000's, Nissan Maximas, Acura Legends, Nissan 240sx with a SR20DET just to name a few had that much horse power. Everything else was shit slow. So now today just about every car has about 200hp-300hp. It's so common place for a 300HP. The V6 Mustang is rated at 305hp, the Ford Focus ST has 256HP, 370Z has 300+ HP, Camaro's and now SUVs and sedans like the Edge Sport and Fusion Sport had over 300HP. Do these kids appreciate the technology at hand to create more power? Nope... all they care about is can I beat the guy next to me on the freeway or traffic light because the stats on paper says I should.

Funny thing is when I do SCCA SOLO with my FR-S, I drive damn fast. I watch cars like the 2013 V6 Camaro, 2010 Nissan 350Z and 2013 Camaro SS get destroyed by my car. Not because my car is faster, the stats on paper says it's slower.. It's because I am a faster driver. I drive economically on the high way and shake my head when I see that shitty Hyundai Sonata pass me because apparently 70MPH is too slow for him.

People who state this car is slow truly don't know what fast is. When the FR-S is 6-10 seconds faster on a SCCA Solo Course, you should be embarrassed to drive such a power car and yet drive so slow.

[wootwoot]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

If the FRS balance is great at the limit with 200hp then wouldn't a larger sum of power throw its balance of a bit? I guess you will need to upgrade the suspension I guess.

^I would also like to hear what people have to say about this.^

I think the balance would remain but how you drive it and what inputs you give it would change. I also think you would want to go up a size or two in tire width. Either 225 square or 225F/235R.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

He never mentioned driving at or beyond his limits.

haha thanks for actually reading my post

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by wootwoot

^I would also like to hear what people have to say about this.^

I think the balance would remain but how you drive it and what inputs you give it would change. I also think you would want to go up a size or two in tire width. Either 225 square or 225F/235R.

i think it depends on what you mean by balanced. more power isnt gonna change the front roll couple but the car will very easily have too much power for its brakes and suspension to handle. making cars like this go fast is nice but its not what it was designed to do.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Razz

You shouldn't be driving beyond your limits or at your limits on a public road.

This is what track days are for.

You could have easily killed someone on a bicycle, motorcycle or even a car.


Shame on you.

A white knight of FT86 club appears!


You shouldn't be making assumptions beyond your limits.


This is what palm readers are for.


You could have easily mislead someone.


Shame on you.




Next time you feel like shitting out of your mouth try not to direct it at a specific person; it is not very nice or considerate.

[RaceR]

Originally Posted by Apoc

They went cheap on items like tires because it keeps the price down and allows for owners to do an easy upgrade (which they are likely to do).

No.

1. They did not go cheap on tires. They put on some tires that are 205$ each from tirerack.

2. They put on those tires so people could have fun at a lower speed. Explore the great chassis easier with predictable oversteer. Making it more fun to drive.

3. They put on those tires for optimum comfort, road noise, fuel economy and for "long lasting ability"

If they wanted, they could have just put on some cheap performance tires with more grip.. Luckily they knew better on opted for some "better" tires that suits the character of the car better. (More grip does not equal better tires)
I bet the wordwide percentage of buyers who swap out their stock tires before they are worn out are very low. A car forum like this mostly shows the exceptions, people who wants nicer wheels and new tires at the same time. Or people who are going to compete on the track and needs grippy tires for competitive reasons.

I would not call the car really slow. But you definitely can have fun at lower speeds!

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCKYCntiaSU"]Toyota GT 86 review - Top Gear - BBC - YouTube[/ame]

[Apoc]

Originally Posted by RaceR

No.

1. They did not go cheap on tires. They put on some tires that are 205$ each from tirerack.

2. They put on those tires so people could have fun at a lower speed. Explore the great chassis easier with predictable oversteer. Making it more fun to drive.

3. They put on those tires for optimum comfort, road noise, fuel economy and for "long lasting ability"

If they wanted, they could have just put on some cheap performance tires with more grip.. Luckily they knew better on opted for some "better" tires that suits the character of the car better. (More grip does not equal better tires)
I bet the wordwide percentage of buyers who swap out their stock tires before they are worn out are very low. A car forum like this mostly shows the exceptions, people who wants nicer wheels and new tires at the same time. Or people who are going to compete on the track and needs grippy tires for competitive reasons.

I would not call the car really slow. But you definitely can have fun at lower speeds!

Good to know but this is totally not the point of my post. You're quoting out of context. My point was that Toyota chose to not outfit FR-S with all the $$ upgrades people would likely get and left it as an blank canvas so your individual customization would be affordable. While the Prius rubber they chose is well balanced for a daily driver who mostly commutes, this tire wouldn't be as good for someone who plans on making the FR-S a track car. I know Tetsuya Tada's goal was to design the car to very high standards for chasis and suspension and allow for swapping out tires for specific needs. This is opposite of many sports cars where the tires are specific to the car design. Here is the interview with Tada-San since my explaination is not anywhere as good as his.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHVhaTNRk8E"]2013 Scion FR-S/Toyota 86 Chief Engineer Tetsuya Tada Interview - YouTube[/ame]

[Demandred7]

Originally Posted by Apoc

Good to know but this is totally not the point of my post. You're quoting out of context. My point was that Toyota chose to not outfit FR-S with all the $$ upgrades people would likely get and left it as an blank canvas so your individual customization would be affordable. While the Prius rubber they chose is well balanced for a daily driver who mostly commutes, this tire wouldn't be as good for someone who plans on making the FR-S a track car. I know Tetsuya Tada's goal was to design the car to very high standards for chasis and suspension and allow for swapping out tires for specific needs. This is opposite of many sports cars where the tires are specific to the car design. Here is the interview with Tada-San since my explaination is not anywhere as good as his.

Thanks for the Tada video. I actually watched the whole thing this time. I had seen the video before, but, didn't feel like reading the clip the whole time. I am glad I did now. Great value in watching to better understand the basis and purpose of this car.

[chulooz]

Originally Posted by RaceR

No.

1. They did not go cheap on tires. They put on some tires that are 205$ each from tirerack.

2. They put on those tires so people could have fun at a lower speed. Explore the great chassis easier with predictable oversteer. Making it more fun to drive.

3. They put on those tires for optimum comfort, road noise, fuel economy and for "long lasting ability"

If they wanted, they could have just put on some cheap performance tires with more grip.. Luckily they knew better on opted for some "better" tires that suits the character of the car better. (More grip does not equal better tires)
I bet the wordwide percentage of buyers who swap out their stock tires before they are worn out are very low. A car forum like this mostly shows the exceptions, people who wants nicer wheels and new tires at the same time. Or people who are going to compete on the track and needs grippy tires for competitive reasons.

I would not call the car really slow. But you definitely can have fun at lower speeds!

These tires are a compromise to this chassis; the hard 'summer' eco-rubber leave much room for improvement in EVERY category whether you want to believe the marketing BS or not.

When shopping for tires some people look toward grip before any other function; not all tires are for track purposes so of course other qualities get factored in.

[Demandred7]

Originally Posted by chulooz

These tires are a compromise to this chassis; the hard 'summer' eco-rubber leave much room for improvement in EVERY category whether you want to believe the marketing BS or not.

When shopping for tires some people look toward grip before any other function; not all tires are for track purposes so of course other qualities get factored in.

Personally I like a little more wet weather grip. I have always found Michelins lacking in that department and once I kill the original rubber, I will probably switch them out for some Bridgestone Potenzas. Despite being an all season tire, I really liked the RE970's that I had on another car. Also good to be able to go a little more into winter before switching over to winters.

[DanoFA20]

Originally Posted by Mr.Jay

Cool, its your opinion and thats great that you didn't end up choosing something you would of been unhappy with but after I read this I just don't care for reading the rest






faster car is not wanted cause it doesn't feel fast... did you ever think its because its not only faster but way more stable? Personally I noticed this when I switch from driving my FRS to other cars they feel faster cause they aren't as planted to the ground.

I love my FRS only downside to it right now other than premo gas is that fun factor goes down when more bodies get added to the car but hey the aftermarket will fix that. Rather have a really well design chassis then a powerhouse engine but just my opinion

me and you, we understand eachother to the dot my friend :-) i noticed when i had my friend in the car i was like huh... this is different lol. still can chirp second though i totally agree though the funny thing is i havent really been in another car since i got my frs yet i just realized lol. NOV.1st