Innovate Motorsports Twin Screw Supercharger Kit for FR-S/BRZ

[Cheddar]

dying for numbers over here!

[M3MPHIS]

Originally Posted by Cheddar

dying for numbers over here!

Ditto.

[Calum]

Originally Posted by MANDALAY

Long term testing is what ill be interested in with this SC set-up.

Bullet is definitely innovative to say the least and have the only Road registered and approved Australia wide V8 MX5.

I can be wrong and hopefully will be but 2 other systems that used a Laminova inter cooler over the engine built in the inlet plenum suffered from heat soak, the Stillen Vortech 370Z and the Speed of science NSX.
Rotrexsperchargers of UK have a really dear but wonderfully engineered setup but changed from the laminova to a plate and frame once they saw heat soak being an issue.

Maybe the Sprintex doesn't heat the air as much or the psi is purposely kept low so as not to have the issue

Not all air to water inter coolers are made by Laminova. Heat soak in an air to water inter cooler is caused by heating the water too much. In the end, the water has to be cooled remotely, normally by just sitting in the holding tank. You could also run into the problem of insufficient cooling capacity from the inter cooler core, but that's just a matter of sizing it correctly.

[MANDALAY]

Originally Posted by RedRocket

Heat Soak is a product of insufficent surface area on a heat exchanger..

IF you cannot remove enough heat the unit is undersized, or the SC is producing too much heat.

There have been hundreds of SC's/Turbo chargers that use Air/Liquid coolers, and don't have problems with Heat Soak.

A small mount of set ups have a problem, yet people are ready to say that EVERY system will have this problem.. It's Simply NOT TRUE.

No im all for it. I have one on my MR2 which would scare but only a few at the cost. We are talking CNC'ed air ends on a 5 axis CNC custom made not a fleabuy ebay unit.
What im refering to is built into the plenum and being on top of the engine

Mine is on the cold side and the plenum is rubber isolated and steel. No heat soak at all. Also i have 2 radiators up front with a massive water pump. The water lines are all aluminium with rubberhose connections

[gmookher]

Originally Posted by MANDALAY

I have one on my MR2 which would scare but only a few at the cost. We are talking CNC'ed air ends on a 5 axis CNC custom made not a fleabuy ebay unit.
What im refering to is built into the plenum and being on top of the engine

Mine is on the cold side and the plenum is rubber isolated and steel.

exactly.

to do this right costs a bunch, like you have.


I'm not against it either. but the integrated into manifold bit is something costing 'less'

pick any two:
idealcost,hi-efficiency,correctsize

'integrated' air to water 'in plenum' sitting ontop of a hot motor to ... betting it will be plain to see where the compromises are on session #3, at two in the afternoon if your system is not all of the above, which as you know costs a bunch

like you I prefer a dedicated unit. If I read this right there is no intercooler on the base setup what so ever, and stage two is this "integrated" sort

[MANDALAY]

See what im seeing in a general way is 3 different approaches and what they want to sell.

A THREAD should of been started at what is required , how and what dollars it would cost and someone putting up their hand and saying yes ill do it

what im saying if the pressure is low well they are saying no intercooler for cost and thats it.

But since in the plenum above a hot engine the runners will ultimately heat up the whole thing

Look at this thing it started with the laminovas then they were changed due to heat soak.
Not a cheap kit but the BEST i have ever seen








Im sure they wouldnt have changed it if there were no issues. I have many others that i could show but i guess you get the drift.

What im against is that someone wants to make money on a kit but porn off the services of someones car to do the work. Thats BS. They want to make money well hell go buy a car and do the testing same way as Bullet.

Another way is go buy a new engine and do all the testing what not as a friend on this forum has done. Look at all the weaknesses of all these builds then release theirs.

[FreshFRS]

Originally Posted by MANDALAY

See what im seeing in a general way is 3 different approaches and what they want to sell.

A THREAD should of been started at what is required , how and what dollars it would cost and someone putting up their hand and saying yes ill do it

what im saying if the pressure is low well they are saying no intercooler for cost and thats it.

But since in the plenum above a hot engine the runners will ultimately heat up the whole thing

Look at this thing it started with the laminovas then they were changed due to heat soak.

Im sure they wouldnt have changed it if there were no issues. I have many others that i could show but i guess you get the drift.

What im against is that someone wants to make money on a kit but porn off the services of someones car to do the work. Thats BS. They want to make money well hell go buy a car and do the testing same way as Bullet.

Another way is go buy a new engine and do all the testing what not as a friend on this forum has done. Look at all the weaknesses of all these builds then release theirs.

both kits you mentioned have had heat soak issues for the reason you described being right on top of a hot motor as well as taking laminova efficiency and making a product pushed to its limit at the boost the kit shipped with. a simple pulley change to higher boost caused instant heat soak problems. the difference with this kit is an air gap between the block and where the intercooler is, it may not seem like much but it makes a huge difference as you can get a little airflow.

also the pumps used are small bosch units that would be fine for a small 4 banger kit not V6s. the Vette ZR1, Mustang GT, CTS V, Camaro ZL1 all use laminova core designs and do not have heat soak problems. a Cobra pump (OEM on all these cars) and bigger heat exchanger will be the first things i buy.

I'm also thinking of doing what the tuner challenge did and inverting the supercharger with a laminova setup.

[Draco-REX]

If you're concerned with heat soak with this setup, just get some heat reflective material from DEI and cover the underside before you install it. Piece of cake. Might as well do the runners too.

[FreshFRS]

Originally Posted by Draco-REX

If you're concerned with heat soak with this setup, just get some heat reflective material from DEI and cover the underside before you install it. Piece of cake. Might as well do the runners too.

this guy knows whats up!

[MANDALAY]

The runners are touching the block and heat will travel.

All is good in theory but loged temperatures is what is required to be sure.

BTW the Cobra pump is a Bosch and let me tell you its small. What you want is a LOT of pumping volume. I up graded and now pump triple the volume even with 20 mm lines

[FreshFRS]

Originally Posted by MANDALAY

The runners are touching the block and heat will travel.

All is good in theory but loged temperatures is what is required to be sure.

BTW the Cobra pump is a Bosch and let me tell you its small. What you want is a LOT of pumping volume. I up graded and now pump triple the volume even with 20 mm lines

very nice i want to run the biggest pump i can without too much weight though and cobra pumps seem to be working fine in some cars (mustang for example)
this is the pump i wanna use:http://www.xylemflowcontrol.com/mari...fugal-pump.htm :thumb up:

[MANDALAY]

Originally Posted by FreshFRS

very nice i want to run the biggest pump i can without too much weight though and cobra pumps seem to be working fine in some cars (mustang for example)
this is the pump i wanna use:http://www.xylemflowcontrol.com/mari...p.htm:thumbup:

Link doesnt work

[SubieNate]

Does the manifold being phenolic have an impact on the performance here? I know it keeps temps down in NA setups.

Nathan

[FreshFRS]

Originally Posted by MANDALAY

Link doesnt work

does now :happy0180: