Airbags ... seriously

[xxscaxx]

Originally Posted by crildz

Only things that ever go wrong with bags is you may wear a hole in it if you ride to low.

not necessarily riding too low, its not making sure you have clearance around the bag and it rubbing somewhere.

The first one or two times I set mine up I didn't place the air line well enough and it rubbed, but since I was anal about the setup I caught it before anything could happen.

Not going to lie, being able to lift the car all the way up to get the jack underneath it and to clean out the fender wells when washing it is reason enough to love an air setup

[crildz]

Originally Posted by xxscaxx

not necessarily riding too low, its not making sure you have clearance around the bag and it rubbing somewhere.

The first one or two times I set mine up I didn't place the air line well enough and it rubbed, but since I was anal about the setup I caught it before anything could happen.

Not going to lie, being able to lift the car all the way up to get the jack underneath it and to clean out the fender wells when washing it is reason enough to love an air setup

Spot on my friend.

[xwd]

Bags are just springs in the end. The parts I'm not a fan of are the added weight, complexity, and extra space taken up by the air setup.

People also have a decent amount of problems with air bag setups in cold weather.

[Ksport]

I personally would never use air bags on the track, not sure if mentioned already but there are just way too many things that could go wrong with an air bag system if you are going 100+mpg into a turn:

1. Air bag possibly getting a hole
2. Air line kinking
3. Air compressor going out
4. Electrical system to the air going out

All of these you can simply avoid by going with coilovers on the track, there is a reason why coilovers are used and not airbags.

Air bags are VERY durable, but not something I would take the risk of using on the track no matter who is marketing it and cruising around on the track with them.

ANOTHER option would be air cups, they still utilize your coilovers just with an air cup set up where the upper spring hat would be so you can raise and lower your vehicle.

-Jade

[Ksport]

Originally Posted by brianlo622

there are always options...


http://kw-suspension.com/us/kw_hls.php

say bye bye $6k

[SalM]

Originally Posted by CanibeatNoel

I've been on Airrex for about a month and a half now and so far I've been loving it. The design of the of the shock/bag as well as seeing the Airrex FR-S from Hawaii on the track made me go forth on purchasing the kit even more so. I've been on a couple canyon runs with my 17's on and I can honestly say, this kit does NOT lack in the performance category. Also with Airrex you're able to move the strut higher and lower along with adjusting the dampening just like traditional coilovers. My next goal is to get some better tires, more suspension parts, and hit the track with a gopro.

Rims? Because this car is effing secks.

[DatGoodBRZ]

Hatres gonna hate that's all there is to it. Call me an idiot but the two guys given me crap don't even have a car of this forum which makes it more hilarious. Roll hard in your Camry and keep dreaming of owning one of these nice cars you can eventually build to UR liking and not others!
I hope not to scrap up my car either underneath, that's really the whole reason to get a system so u don't. Otherwise Id just stick with coilovers. Unfortunately I don't live on a race track where the road are flat an even for lowered cars. So a air ride system would suit My needs for daily use.
Generally I believe if more airride systems were cost efficient I believe there would be more people rockin them. Let's be honest. CanibeatNoel stated his ride quality did not diminish and his car looks sick so low.
Just my thoughts tho...

[DatGoodBRZ]

Get the air ride Godzilla!!! U won't be upset when ur goin over speed bumps!

[xxscaxx]

Originally Posted by dwx

Bags are just springs in the end. The parts I'm not a fan of are the added weight, complexity, and extra space taken up by the air setup.

People also have a decent amount of problems with air bag setups in cold weather.

False. All you need to do is to add air-brake antifreeze in the tank and none of the lines will freeze.

Originally Posted by Ksport

I personally would never use air bags on the track, not sure if mentioned already but there are just way too many things that could go wrong with an air bag system if you are going 100+mpg into a turn:

1. Air bag possibly getting a hole
2. Air line kinking
3. Air compressor going out
4. Electrical system to the air going out

All of these you can simply avoid by going with coilovers on the track, there is a reason why coilovers are used and not airbags.

Air bags are VERY durable, but not something I would take the risk of using on the track no matter who is marketing it and cruising around on the track with them.

ANOTHER option would be air cups, they still utilize your coilovers just with an air cup set up where the upper spring hat would be so you can raise and lower your vehicle.

-Jade

all your points are null because if you set an air system up properly none of these things can happen. The only thing that could fail is the compressor but that wouldn't effect the strut anyway unless you had a leak and needed to refill. Also, not every air system is an electrical one.

air cups are an option but very expensive. You are talking about 1100 bucks a CUP. They only offer a 3" adjustment as well. I looked into those, hehe.

[xwd]

Yeah, people don't do that because they are lazy. Valves freeze up as well, moisture in the system which is inevitable causes problems. I know it's just normal maintenance but I've read numerous stories about issues both with OE systems and aftermarket ones.

[wheelhaus]

Bags have the stigma of being for appearance only. This may be true in the past, but there's no reason performance bags can't exist on the market. Coilovers are traditional, and they work, and there's little reason to fix what ain't broke unless you want to simply make progress and innovate.

An air bag is just an air spring. It's more difficult to "tune" the air spring because bladder diameter, plunger diameter, pressure, volume, etc all play a factor in how the the "spring" does it's thing. Secondly, a good coilover is only as good as it's damper. Right? This can be true for bags as well. The only difference is that the air is much more progressive as it's compressed, so the stroke is far from linear. Air springs are not new. They've typically been used for show and because quick customization can be a little more difficult, the performance market doesn't pay them much mind. There's no reason this can't change.

I am not interested in purchasing bags and truly DGAF about "stance", but I can wholeheartedly appreciate technological innovation.

[Godzilla35]

First off, there are a lot of really valid points and I hope to get people with more first-hand knowledge, like Noel to chime in. Maybe I will direct the engineers of Airrex and Air Lift to this thread once I get some time.

Originally Posted by crildz

I do love airlift bags but seeing how airrex has a tried and true race car on bags I would go with them. Airlift has an amazing product overall from my own experience especially drifting a bagged mustang. Airrex overall is generally going to be more expensive as opposed to air lift. It's mainly quality in my opinion

The main thing is that I was impressed with Air Lift's new iPad / iPhone interface... and the fact that they are based in the U.S. Airrex... although their product does look good... is made in Taiwan I think. At least that's what it said on their SEMA booth. Customer service may be a bit tough with the company being so far away.

Originally Posted by ottopilot

Somebody should come up with electronically adjustable coil-overs, it would be quite interesting and technically simple.

There are. Look up Robuerta cups (spelling?) that fit onto Top Secret Japan coilovers. Also, I believe KW always had a kit for lambos and such... and they have the new technology that couples with some of their V3 and up models, but it's pricey and the applications are limited right now to cars like the new 991 Porsche. If that's the case... I'd rather just "live with" RSR coils.

Originally Posted by brianlo622

there are always options...


http://kw-suspension.com/us/kw_hls.php

Yeah, I saw that when it was featured on Speedhunters I believe.

Originally Posted by Ksport

I personally would never use air bags on the track, not sure if mentioned already but there are just way too many things that could go wrong with an air bag system if you are going 100+mpg into a turn:

1. Air bag possibly getting a hole
2. Air line kinking
3. Air compressor going out
4. Electrical system to the air going out

All of these you can simply avoid by going with coilovers on the track, there is a reason why coilovers are used and not airbags.

Air bags are VERY durable, but not something I would take the risk of using on the track no matter who is marketing it and cruising around on the track with them.

ANOTHER option would be air cups, they still utilize your coilovers just with an air cup set up where the upper spring hat would be so you can raise and lower your vehicle.

-Jade

Yeah... but as much as I'd like to say I'm the next Stig... I'm not. I want to go to the track, don't get me wrong... but I just want to daily drive my FRS without worrying about it scraping. Stock height already gets me nervous, so when I get my wheels... that's when I'll be freaking out. I want to track it to get some drifting lessons and minor track experience... but when I go all-out, I'll most likely take my other car.

Originally Posted by DatGoodBRZ

Get the air ride Godzilla!!! U won't be upset when ur goin over speed bumps!

Yeah, but I might be upset when I'm in a corner. (balance pun... two puns in one thread... I might get banned).


Keep the discussion going!

[DEnd]

The main problem with bags is that they are mainly used for both spring rate and ride height. They should really be separate (for performance use). The other downside to them is that each change in air pressure really requires a different shock tuning for maximum performance (in reality each different road surface really requires a different shock tuning as well). This makes shock tuning for an air spring (partly due to it's progressive rate, and its ease of adjustibility) more complex.

[benster]

and all of this wouldn't have started if the other guy hadn't said hellaslammed like a good ricer.... get over it and don't post unless you wish to help the OP.