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[SMOKETREES]

Also here is the link for all of you people who think you are losing HP by doing just a muffler delete. He also changed to a new mid pipe also.....

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21351

[RedLeader]

Originally Posted by SMOKETREES

Also here is the link for all of you people who think you are losing HP by doing just a muffler delete. He also changed to a new mid pipe also.....

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21351

The argument against a muffle delete is not just about peak power, it's about power, torque, and WHERE that power and torque is. Going with a full 3" headerback exhaust might make an extra 15hp, but you'll gut the low and midrange torque of most any NA motor. So doing a muffle delete doesn't mean you'll automatically gain or lose power, but the loss of backpressure CAN cost you low-mid range torque. If you keep the rest of the exhaust system, the loss may be minimal, but with no cats and no muffler on a bigger diameter pipe, you WILL lose a more noticeable amount of low end torque but you'll gain some top end torque and power. It's all a matter of compromise.
Personally, I'm not chasing a peak hp number, nor am I trying to make this into a top speed car. So doing a muffler delete along with a huge diameter pipe, no cats and no resonator pulls power from where I need it and puts it where I don't care about as much.


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[RedLeader]

Anyone here in Tucson going to the In-N-Out meet tonight? Those of you not going to Phoenix to pavilions, of course..


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[Accurate Race Shop]

Originally Posted by Yruyur

Vinyl is pretty cool stuff too.

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Yeah candy apple is never cheap but I could probably get it done for around $3k with flake and done properly because it's red on red I really wouldn't care to much about the insides of the door and I like the idea of doing vinyl but I can't decide what I would do

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[RedLeader]

Originally Posted by jasper

... and I like the idea of doing vinyl but I can't decide what I would do

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[Yruyur]

Originally Posted by RedLeader

The argument against a muffle delete is not just about peak power, it's about power, torque, and WHERE that power and torque is. Going with a full 3" headerback exhaust might make an extra 15hp, but you'll gut the low and midrange torque of most any NA motor. So doing a muffle delete doesn't mean you'll automatically gain or lose power, but the loss of backpressure CAN cost you low-mid range torque. If you keep the rest of the exhaust system, the loss may be minimal, but with no cats and no muffler on a bigger diameter pipe, you WILL lose a more noticeable amount of low end torque but you'll gain some top end torque and power. It's all a matter of compromise.
Personally, I'm not chasing a peak hp number, nor am I trying to make this into a top speed car. So doing a muffler delete along with a huge diameter pipe, no cats and no resonator pulls power from where I need it and puts it where I don't care about as much.


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I think I did gain some low end putting the magnaflow on the car coming from the muffler delete. Magnaflow is getting louder now that it's breaking in....sounds nicceee

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[Ninjin]

Looks pretty crowded.

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[captain_jack]

Originally Posted by RedLeader

Anyone here in Tucson going to the In-N-Out meet tonight? Those of you not going to Phoenix to pavilions, of course..


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In and out is now patrolled by police and they are citing people for hanging out there. I would be comp.etely down if i didnt already have a thing to attend.

[RedLeader]

Originally Posted by captain_jack

In and out is now patrolled by police and they are citing people for hanging out there. I would be comp.etely down if i didnt already have a thing to attend.

That's some horse shit. I wanna go hang out there just to see a cop try to give me ticket for...being parked. I wonder what they are citing people for, or what business there is calling the cops. I can't imagine it's In N Out, since the people that hang out bring in a pretty large amount of money each saturday. Maybe one of the other local businesses is whining. Curious.

[zohare]

Tpd really isn't bad... they don't bother us unless there's some stupid crap that causes a complaint. You guys have no idea how understanding they are compared to other places...

[RedLeader]

Originally Posted by zohare

Tpd really isn't bad... they don't bother us unless there's some stupid crap that causes a complaint. You guys have no idea how understanding they are compared to other places...

Holy crap, another firestorm FRS in Tucson. Since you're not Kevin, are you, by chance, one of the three red FRS' on base?

[jeffsides]

Originally Posted by Ninjin

Looks pretty crowded.

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Not going to make it to the pavs tonight.

[captain_jack]

Last time i was at in and out we were asked to leave. In and out management didnt want people there anymore as alot of people were being stupid so who knows.

[captain_jack]

Originally Posted by zohare

Tpd really isn't bad... they don't bother us unless there's some stupid crap that causes a complaint. You guys have no idea how understanding they are compared to other places...

Oh i agree they ar. im not from here originally and kansas city and various depts there could be real stupid about things.