New Rumor: Subaru Developing Turbo 4 2.0T for BRZ

[White Shadow]

Originally Posted by einzlr

Autoweek is reporting that Subaru is saying they're developing a turbo BRZ. Oct. 29 print edition and here:

http://www.autoweek.com/article/2012...news/121029941

Post #273 from this thread:

Originally Posted by White Shadow

The most current edition of Autoweek magazine (October 29, 2012) has a short article that claims the BRZ Turbo is indeed coming out for the 2014 model year. It also says that the turbocharged BRZ will not be labeled as an STi. They claim that will allow Subaru to "save" the STi for an even hotter version of the engine when sales start to cool down.

Don't shoot the messenger. I'm just tell you what the article says!

Anyway, no big deal, but you sound just like me with my "don't shoot the messenger" comment.

I think it's gonna be funny to come back to this thread (and others) when the turbo BRZ is officially announced. It will be interesting to see what all then naysayers will have to say.

[White Shadow]

Originally Posted by Crossover Auto

It's fine for mild modded applications. But for all out extreme HP builds, direct injection has a bottle neck and it has to due with the cam driven high pressure fuel pump and lack of higher flowing injectors. That is why the current hybrid setup is more desirable for tuners and modders looking to extract high hp #s.

Sure, if you're talking extreme HP builds, of course the fuel system will be a bottleneck. That's true of both port injection and direct injection.

As far as I know, Toyota was the first to use both port and direct injection together on their Lexus brand. The idea was that the engines would run primarily on GDI, but also have port injectors that worked on a very short duty cycle to help keep the intake valves clean. The idea wasn't to support high HP modifications to prevent fuel starvation or lean burn.

[einzlr]

Originally Posted by White Shadow

Post #273 from this thread:



Anyway, no big deal, but you sound just like me with my "don't shoot the messenger" comment.

I think it's gonna be funny to come back to this thread (and others) when the turbo BRZ is officially announced. It will be interesting to see what all then naysayers will have to say.

Oops sorry, my bad, missed your post Thanks for being cool about it

But yeah, it seems to me it would be out of character if they *didn't* come out with a turbo version.

[Admiral Ballsy]

Originally Posted by White Shadow

I think it's gonna be funny to come back to this thread (and others) when the turbo BRZ is officially announced. It will be interesting to see what all then naysayers will have to say.

Will you still come back and laugh after three or four years elapse with no turbo BRZ?

[switchlanez]

Originally Posted by White Shadow

I think it's gonna be funny to come back to this thread (and others) when the turbo BRZ is officially announced. It will be interesting to see what all then naysayers will have to say.

If that happens, I'll probably say I have traded my BRZ in for one. But as of right now we know it isn't happening for these reasons:

1) Official word from key people from both OEMs say turbo won't happen on the BRZ.
2) A turbo FA20 was also officially announced in the same general time frame as the above announcement. (Put the 2 together; figure it out).
3) Unofficial word is unofficial.
4) Because next-gen WRX STI.

[Allch Chcar]

Originally Posted by Dimman

BRZ gets 1.6 DIT (shown right beside the first FA20 mockup, BTW), 240ish HP with a shit-ton more torque than it has now.

WRX STI gets a high flow variant of the FA20 DIT, say 350ish HP and 300+ lb-ft. Also will be lighter than current model.

Sibling rivalry solved.

The 1.6L turbo was going into the new WRX last I heard.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by Allch Chcar

The 1.6L turbo was going into the new WRX last I heard.

Hmmm, forgot about that. Possible FIA WRC homologation with the 1.6L.

Either way the 280/250 numbers make sense with a 1.6L (and sure don't in a 2.0L DIT compared to the Legacy), as does not putting a 2.0DIT in the BRZ.

[Allch Chcar]

Originally Posted by Dimman

Hmmm, forgot about that. Possible FIA WRC homologation with the 1.6L.

Either way the 280/250 numbers make sense with a 1.6L (and sure don't in a 2.0L DIT compared to the Legacy), as does not putting a 2.0DIT in the BRZ.

It's not for homologation, that's unnecessary. It's for fuel economy. Now, if they'll use the same displacement for North America is questionable. I wouldn't second guess them using the 2.0L for the WRX here.

[overlookedx]

My gut tells me a turbo BRZ would be awesome and I might be an idiot for buying a NA BRZ, but my head tells me otherwise. You lose the throttle response, the gas mileage, and the price tag goes up, among other things. To me it's like buying another WRX, except it's more expensive and a lot less practical.

[drifter]

Decision is easy for me... Hold off buying a turbo until this rumor is comfirmed one way or another. If true, i'll sell or trade up for turbo as I will have the warranty, if false.. it's all about AVO TURBO!!

[Admiral Ballsy]

Originally Posted by overlookedx

I might be an idiot for buying a NA BRZ

Subaru would be idiotic to build one, from a business perspective.

[White Shadow]

Originally Posted by switchlanez

If that happens, I'll probably say I have traded my BRZ in for one. But as of right now we know it isn't happening for these reasons:

1) Official word from key people from both OEMs say turbo won't happen on the BRZ.
2) A turbo FA20 was also officially announced in the same general time frame as the above announcement. (Put the 2 together; figure it out).
3) Unofficial word is unofficial.
4) Because next-gen WRX STI.

It will happen...just a matter of time. It won't be the first time a new car came out and then a turbocharged version came out a year or two later even though the manufacturer swore they wouldn't make a turbo version.

[White Shadow]

Originally Posted by overlookedx

My gut tells me a turbo BRZ would be awesome and I might be an idiot for buying a NA BRZ, but my head tells me otherwise. You lose the throttle response, the gas mileage, and the price tag goes up, among other things. To me it's like buying another WRX, except it's more expensive and a lot less practical.

I'll agree that the price will go up, but with today's turbo technology, throttle response isn't at all an issue. Small twin-scroll turbos often have no lag at all and allow for even better throttle response than N/A applications. And despite the higher HP & TQ, the fuel economy of a turbo engine often rivals lower power N/A versions of the same engine. Even if you lose some fuel economy, it will probably be minimal.

[White Shadow]

Originally Posted by Admiral Ballsy

Will you still come back and laugh after three or four years elapse with no turbo BRZ?

Won't have to....the BRZ will definitely have a turbocharger by the 2016 model year. That's a lock.