Manual driving method

[einzlr]

Originally Posted by IntotheOcean

We'll have to go to a frs car show-Theres gotta be one around here. I have no clue where you find out about those things?

Look/ask in the regional section.

Originally Posted by IntotheOcean

Which leads me to two questions
1. Mastering stick in traffic
2. Doing turns in this bad boy with out fish tailing.

Any tips?

1. Practice on quiet roads first. Also, is there some specific situation in traffic that's troubling you?

2. Take 'em slow. Get off the brake once you start turning the wheel. Participate in a car control clinic. (edit: and leave the nannies on)

[IntotheOcean]

Originally Posted by einzlr

Look/ask in the regional section.


1. Practice on quiet roads first. Also, is there some specific situation in traffic that's troubling you?

2. Take 'em slow. Get off the brake once you start turning the wheel. Participate in a car control clinic.

Nothing is troubling me yet, Was just curious about putting your car in neutral when in 3rd-or if its best to brake and shift down. My mom always does neutral and well, I don't want to learn anything wrong-just being protective I guess.
Also read its best to stay in 2nd as much as you can in traffic, cause 1st will be jerky...I guess that will be something I learn on the road.

2. I read not to brake into a turn, but I also read you should give it gas to help with handling(gain control), but not too much because than you could lose control.
wow I sound like such a inexperience loser-haha I need to get out and start driving, I think that's the best way Ill learn. Just don't wanna hurt the 93 junk machine.
Its so weird, I felt like such a great driver-but now Its like learning from the start all over again. I always wanted MT since I was 16-I'm excited to learn(get frustrated) and learn some more

[Lee358]

Originally Posted by IntotheOcean

Nothing is troubling me yet, Was just curious about putting your car in neutral when in 3rd-or if its best to brake and shift down. My mom always does neutral and well, I don't want to learn anything wrong-just being protective I guess.
Also read its best to stay in 2nd as much as you can in traffic, cause 1st will be jerky...I guess that will be something I learn on the road.

2. I read not to brake into a turn, but I also read you should give it gas to help with handling(gain control), but not too much because than you could lose control.
wow I sound like such a inexperience loser-haha I need to get out and start driving, I think that's the best way Ill learn. Just don't wanna hurt the 93 junk machine.
Its so weird, I felt like such a great driver-but now Its like learning from the start all over again. I always wanted MT since I was 16-I'm excited to learn(get frustrated) and learn some more

Break before your turn. accelerate out

Heavy break >>>> Lightly on breaks as turning in >>>> Hit apex middle of turn >>>> As turning steering wheel back to neutral start getting back on the gas


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[whaap]

Ideally you want to brake and be set up before you make a turn and then be able to gradually accelerate out of the turn but that doesn't mean not to brake in a corner if you find yourself in trouble and have no other options. That just means you came in too hot and you are in a more trouble spot than if you had set up carefully. The big thing is to not drive beyond your limits/capabilities and enjoy what you're doing. You don't have to prove anything to any body. If you mess up and wreck you're the one that has to suffer the consequences.

[ST185RC]

Originally Posted by IntotheOcean

2. I read not to brake into a turn, but I also read you should give it gas to help with handling(gain control), but not too much because than you could lose control.

Go to an autocoss event or driving school. My only opinion on reading what you should do online will get you into trouble. Sometimes it's much better to rely on instincts than remembering what you read online or in a manual. By the time you've remember what you were supposed to do in the moment, you may be in a ditch. Experience can't be replaced with reading material.

For the record, sometimes braking into a turn is what may save your ass from hitting a barrier.

Simplest example, there can be people who know everything there is to know about driving stick from reading about it, but without any seat time, he'll never drive it well without practice and muscle memory.

[BuBlake]

I have been shortshifting lately and unlike my previous car, this one seems to respond much better mpg wise when I keep it at lower rpms. Anything above 40mph is okay for 6th gear, given you don't need to accelerate. I usually rev the highest(about 5-6k) in first gear, then shift sooner and sooner until i'm cruising in 6th at exactly 5mph above the speed limit. haha

My general rule is that it's always better to give your clutch a little slip than it is to release it at the wrong point and jerk your whole engine/transmissioin around. The clutch is much cheaper/easier to replace.

As far as cornering goes, you should practice in Forza Motorsport with all assists turned off, including abs. Gran Turismo 5 is also great because it actually has license tests that teach you how to drive and give great pointers. I practice in Forza Motorsport 4 with a Fanatec Racing wheel. Expensive, but worth every penny. There is no feel in the clutch pedal, but it's good for muscle memory regardless.

[einzlr]

You're not a loser inexperienced != loser

Originally Posted by IntotheOcean

Nothing is troubling me yet, Was just curious about putting your car in neutral when in 3rd-or if its best to brake and shift down. My mom always does neutral and well, I don't want to learn anything wrong-just being protective I guess.
Also read its best to stay in 2nd as much as you can in traffic, cause 1st will be jerky...I guess that will be something I learn on the road.

Well it's generally safer (and in some states required by law) to not coast in neutral - in case something happens and you need to accelerate to avoid a collision. When you're braking in 3rd just be sure to shift into 2nd when the revs get low.
As for your other point, don't try to drive in 1st if you're going more than about 5-10mph; just use it to get started, then get into 2nd.

Gear selection is all about engine speed (rpms). Too slow and you stall, too fast and you hit the rev limiter, waste fuel, shorten the life of your engine or blow it up (in the worst case and/or if there's no rev limiter).

Originally Posted by IntotheOcean

2. I read not to brake into a turn, but I also read you should give it gas to help with handling(gain control), but not too much because than you could lose control.
wow I sound like such a inexperience loser-haha I need to get out and start driving, I think that's the best way Ill learn. Just don't wanna hurt the 93 junk machine.
Its so weird, I felt like such a great driver-but now Its like learning from the start all over again. I always wanted MT since I was 16-I'm excited to learn(get frustrated) and learn some more

That advice about turning applies to rwd cars and primarily at the track. In the Escort at city speeds, if you're turning and you find yourself going too fast, then by all means apply the brakes rather than hit something/someone. In general, though, try to get in the habit of slowing *before* turns and getting back on the gas once you start turning the steering wheel.

[ZakD]

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For the record, sometimes braking into a turn is what may save your ass from hitting a barrier. <br />
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100% . Though breaking in a turn is generally frowned upon, and you look like a noob, but there are times when it is wiser to do it. Especially if the bend is also on a downhill. But the ideal is to slow down sufficiently before the bend and start accelerating as you negotiate it.

Talking about noob, can someone describe exactly how to double clutch ?
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[Snozzberries]

Originally Posted by Lee358

Break before your turn. accelerate out

Heavy break >>>> Lightly on breaks as turning in >>>> Hit apex middle of turn >>>> As turning steering wheel back to neutral start getting back on the gas

Or just trail break through the corner while making a double down shift and heal toeing to rev match so you don't slide out. All about practice.

Basically I always think of it as: If you are steering a lot you shouldn't be using the throttle or break as your tires are near their breaking threshold. If you are gassing or breaking a lot you shouldn't be steering much. Your tires have 100% to give and if you are asking for 70% in steering and 60% in acceleration or breaking you are going to have a bad time.

[jarviz]

Originally Posted by IntotheOcean

What no, I think you are thinking about Suffolk county. haha-I have traffic here
BUT my commute to work *Driving from massapequa to oceanside* (yeah I know not too far, but enough to be annoying) I have a few nice turns.
Which leads me to two questions
1. Mastering stick in traffic
2. Doing turns in this bad boy with out fish tailing.

Any tips?
This thread has really helped me out. But I want a good understanding of how everything works, in relation to one another-I think its only than that Ill be good at driving stick.

I still have time to learn-So I'm reading as much as I can, Watching good videos on youtube and soon will be practicing in my moms 93 Ford Escort (Yes, it is still alive and running)

If you ever decide to get this car - it will make you look forward to going to work... that's until you actually arrive then you just look forward to the drive home haha. I have one hour commute each way and lovin' it.

I learned to drive stick in this car - now I get to reap the benefits of driving through manhattan through rush hour . Still beats driving my AT corolla any day. At least itgives me plenty of opportunities to practice my heel-toes haha.

I haven't fishtailed once without intentionally doing it. I don't know how people say they get the back to slide out so easily, unless they drive at +5k rpms everywhere they go, with all traction off...which i don't

[einzlr]

Originally Posted by ZakD

Talking about noob, can someone describe exactly how to double clutch ?
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clutch in
shift to neutral
clutch out
rev match
clutch in
shift into gear
back on throttle, clutch out


edit: as others have pointed out, in cars with synchros double clutching is entirely superfluous. That doesn't mean you're not allowed to be curious about it, though. Nostalgia ftw! Anyone want to know how to work a rotary phone?

[whaap]

Originally Posted by ZakD

Talking about noob, can someone describe exactly how to double clutch ?

With todays modern synchromesh transmissions the last thing you will ever need to know in driving your car is how to double clutch. Rev matching will do the job for you.

[trifenix]

Not double clutching like you should...

[TheSt|G]

Just drop the double clutching, we aren't in the 60s anymore.