My letter made it into Car and Driver!

[Turbowned]

Originally Posted by sho220

I went with an FR-S because all Subaru owners are lesbians...and not the good kind...

Tell that to this chick. For all I know she could be a lesbian, but she looks like "the good kind" to me My last g/f was definitely not a lesbian, though she did fondly refer to her Subie as "the lesbian-mobile" so I'd say that gets half credit...

[BRZED]

This is why i choose the BRZ

[FRiSson]

Originally Posted by sho220

I went with an FR-S because all Subaru owners are lesbians...and not the good kind...

Stupid. Stupid. Stupid.

[sho220]

Originally Posted by FRiSson

Stupid. Stupid. Stupid.

Joke. Joke. Joke. Sorry...I thought this was a thread about badges and stereotypes...

[n2oinferno]

Originally Posted by Wise

Not as bad as the Hyundai Genesis coupe.

Hyundai finally makes an awesome car. But then they completely ruin it... by putting a Hyundai badge on it.

Honestly how many of us would buy the Genesis if it had a Mazda badge on it. It even kinda looks like it could be a modern MX-6.

Yeah, how dare they badge the car they made with their own marque.

Did you even read what you wrote before you clicked "Submit Reply?"

[Wise]

Originally Posted by n2oinferno

Yeah, how dare they badge the car they made with their own marque.

Did you even read what you wrote before you clicked "Submit Reply?"

LOL lighten up it was a joke about Hyundai's brand identity.

Cool car, but shit house brand.

[Xenocide117]

I've said it before and I will say it again. I don't want any logos for the car company on the car. They have a marketing department for advertising. My biggest gripe is that the awful flat spot on the nose of the twins for their stupid logos.

[MF_DEUCE]

Originally Posted by slowbrz

that's my point. it's perceived by many to be feminine. scion is perceived by me to be a teeny bopper brand. i'm saying im a bit insecure in this regard but it gives me a piece of mind to get exactly what i wanted.

that is why "you must be the change you want to see (in this brand)!" -mahatma ghandi

a manufacturer can only do so much but it's up to its fans and buyers to change that view. so if you dont like it, change it.

[Veloist]

OP, the letter was nicely addressed, in a very mature way as well. It was nice hearing your opinion! Happy for you that it was published!

Since Scion is a marque of Toyota, I never understood--and I still don't--why people disliked it being badged as one. Most non-86 enthusiasts (who aren't fanboys of another car), in other words, regular civilians, still praise the car for its looks, despite the badge.

Every Scion ever made, except the first gen tC, is just a rebadged Toyota from Japan or Europe's market. I've always looked at the Scion xA as the Toyota Ist, just like how I looked at the previous Lexus RX's as the Toyota Harrier. xB as the bB, xD as the newer Ist/Urban Cruiser, tC mk2 as the Zelas, iQ as iQ, and now the FR-S as the 86/GT86.

In other words, the Scion brand has always been invisible to me so I guess that's why I see no problem in Toyota badging the car as a Scion.

[Trojan_SC]

Totally agree. That's why EVERY Scion logo is gone and replaced with the T. My registration in Cali says Toyota too .

[Kamus]

OK, so i understand that Toyota made some cars that you consider "iconic"

But i really don't get this stupid hate vs the Scion Brand at all. Think about it, you want a Toyota badge instead... because nothing screams passion like the brand that is mostly identified with appliances like the Camry and Prius right?

[Trojan_SC]

You said it yourself, you don't get it.

[Kamus]

Originally Posted by Trojan_SC

You said it yourself, you don't get it.

Exactly, i don't get it, why the redundancy?

I think i explained why "i don't get it" very well.

[SuperDave]

Originally Posted by Linseal

I wonder if 240z owners are pissed their cars are Datsuns and not Nissans. Or maybe they don't care because they own an awesome car that changed everything about affordable sports cars at the time. They way I see it. The FR-S is a modern day 240z. Personally.... I love Scions, I've driven them for 9 years. I've never really thought of them as anything other than Toyotas. Very rarely do I see a "riced out" Scion. "Riced out" Celicas and Supras are more common around here. And there are WAY more "riced out" Subarus than anything else. So this argument about not wanting to belong to that crowd blows my mind.

Anways, enjoy your cars people. Don't worry about the labels. Worry about how much fun you and others are having for 25k. In the end, THAT'S the community you belong to.

way to totally miss the point. he said he's disappointed that they didn't offer more trim levels and being dictated to about what "choices" he could have.

I would've bit the bullet and bought a "Scion FR-S" if it had been brought over as a Scion 86 GT Limited, but it wasn't and that's the point that he and I agree upon and many others do.