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[Turbowned]

240Z, not 240SX. You got your 240's mixed up.

[MF_DEUCE]

Anyone who buys a car for its badge has serious insecurity issues. We all know damn well its a Toyota at heart and as a "true" car enthusiast you would know that. The car should make the brand, not the other way around. Why can't Scion be the successor to what Toyota was in the 90's?? You people need to get off your high horse on "what it should have been" and come back to reality and see what this car is...a true sports car, not an image of one!!!

I laughed when i saw how much attention another fr-s owner was getting just because he rebadged his car as a gt-86. really?? Are plastic badges all that matter in today's automotive/car enthusiast world? if that's the case I will stay clear from this so called "scene."

[slowbrz]

I wouldnt buy a beetle or a pink car (feminine) either. Does this make me insecure? Though a FRS wouldnt be nearly as bad as those

[Plxdjake89]

So you'd rather buy a brz over the frs because of the toyotas decisions to badge it as a scion over here in the us? I don't know about you, but if you we're truly a fan of Toyotas then you would dive right into the frs no questions asked....SMH

[MF_DEUCE]

Originally Posted by slowbrz

I wouldnt buy a beetle or a pink car (feminine) either. Does this make me insecure? Though a FRS wouldnt be nearly as bad as those

pink is just a shade of red. The reason people associate pink as feminine is because the media portrays that to you. Are you saying a women can buy a masculine colored car but a man cannot buy a feminine colored car? I'd say it takes a more secure male to own up to owning a pink car. Now i have owned a yellow mr2 and yellow can definitely be seen as a feminine color, what say you now?

show me any historical evidence prior to television that shows pink is/was a feminine color? The media controls what the overwhelming majority of people believe is true.

[SupraLove]

While I don't care much for reputation, it does sting to know that the car's brand that you're driving with has a very negative stigma associated with it. I saw a Scion tC the other day with stupid stripes, jagged vinyls, a fartcan, gigantic wing, and Sparco and NOS written all over it. I thought I was watching 2F2F for a second. Wish I had taken a picture. But anyways, that kind of image is one I don't want splattered all over this car.

However, at the same time, if the FR-S were a Toyota, it would appeal to many people who aren't enthusiasts at all and will never turn off the VSC or Traction Control and just buy it because it looked cool.

That's why I think Subaru really has fit the niche for this car perfectly. They make sporty, fun-to-drive automobiles that are just as practical as a sterile Corolla, so the BRZ makes perfect sense in their lineup.

I don't know. It always seems like the grass will be greener on the other side.

[slowbrz]

Originally Posted by MF_DEUCE

pink is just a shade of red. The reason people associate pink as feminine is because the media portrays that to you. Are you saying a women can buy a masculine colored car but a man cannot buy a feminine colored car? I'd say it takes a more secure male to own up to owning a pink car. Now i have owned a yellow mr2 and yellow can definitely be seen as a feminine color, what say you now?

show me any historical evidence prior to television that shows pink is/was a feminine color? The media controls what the overwhelming majority of people believe is true.

that's my point. it's perceived by many to be feminine. scion is perceived by me to be a teeny bopper brand. i'm saying im a bit insecure in this regard but it gives me a piece of mind to get exactly what i wanted.

[oldpueblo]

My issue is less about badge and more about trim/options. I'd be less annoyed at the frs not having options like push to start if both the brz AND the gt86 both didn't have them.

[Celicadude]

Originally Posted by Turbowned

240Z, not 240SX. You got your 240's mixed up.

Crap lol. Yes I did. I stand corrected.

[driftartist]

any time someone asks what car i have i say toyota 86 and sometimes people say oh i thought it was a scion. i correct them and say no it is a toyota 86. i refuse the name scion even though it has to be identified as scion in america. i fully agree

[ST185RC]

In the homeland that this car came from people are disappointed that it didn't come as a scion and are rebadging it a Scion to have a unique look. The whole world is just full of disappointment....

[5hairpins]

Check me if I am wrong, but the GT-86 is priced above the Subie in every market. Had this car came to the states as a GT-86 and had a higher pricetag than the subie, I would be driving the BRZ. I don't want bells and whistles, or fancy trim. I just wanted an affordable RW, manual transmission car that I could hold onto until I can't get in it anymore.

[Tim_Asphalt_FRS]

Originally Posted by Linseal

I wonder if 240z owners are pissed their cars are Datsuns and not Nissans. Or maybe they don't care because they own an awesome car that changed everything about affordable sports cars at the time. They way I see it. The FR-S is a modern day 240z. Personally.... I love Scions, I've driven them for 9 years. I've never really thought of them as anything other than Toyotas. Very rarely do I see a "riced out" Scion. "Riced out" Celicas and Supras are more common around here. And there are WAY more "riced out" Subarus than anything else. So this argument about not wanting to belong to that crowd blows my mind.

Anways, enjoy your cars people. Don't worry about the labels. Worry about how much fun you and others are having for 25k. In the end, THAT'S the community you belong to.

At the time of the 240Z, Nissan didn't exist in the US, they were all Datsun until the mid 80s.

[Shagaliscious]

I really could care less what badge it has, but Toyota should have kept it as a Toyota. I just couldn't like the BRZ front enough to buy one, so I bought a FR-S.