Question for the experienced manual drivers..

[ahausheer]

brakes are pretty tough. Think about how much friction is happening when you brake hard from say 80 mph. Using the e brake gently a few times on a hill is fine. it may wear out eventually so keep an eye on it over the years but dont worry to much. Yes the e brake is smaller than normal brakes but drum brakes are pretty hard to screw up.

[jmaryt]

Originally Posted by whaap

Maybe it's just a play on words but you can't help but slip the clutch each time you take your foot off the clutch pedal. How much depends on how well you can handle a manual.

should never have to slip the clutch at all to shift gears! just sayin'

Originally Posted by 00NissanNinja

I was never told to try the e brake thing when I was learning to drive (I learned on stick). Add to that that it was a truck with a foot ebrake I said forget learning that. So eventually I just got used to timing the release of the brake and clutch and getting on the gas a bit as the clutch starts to engage. When I was starting out I used to look at the revs to see if they were dropping that's when I knew to start adding gas. Just have to practice, I used to practice (and from time to time still do) in our driveway since its a pretty decent incline

was taught this back in '66 at driver's ed! (hot damn!) showing my age!

Originally Posted by DjDATZ

Hitting someone from behind is always the driver's fault behind, but you rolling into their car doesn't apply unless they're RIGHT on your tail. However, if you roll into them, it could be argued that it's still your fault.

I get where you're trying to go with this, but NO ONE should rely on this tidbit of information.

true!,if you roll into them,it's YOUR fault! it becomes a "safety'' issue,thus the need for the e-brake to ''hold'' the car on grade!

[seven]

Practice, I've never used the e-brake in my life (my father taught me that's a crutch and it's better to learn the right way first thing)... After a lot of practice you'll be fine.
I've been driving manual for 12 years, track days for 5-6, etc. I never roll back and rarely use more than 200 extra rpm to get up an incline (more if steep but not much)

[frosty86]

Originally Posted by seven

Practice, I've never used the e-brake in my life (my father taught me that's a crutch and it's better to learn the right way first thing)... After a lot of practice you'll be fine.
I've been driving manual for 12 years, track days for 5-6, etc. I never roll back and rarely use more than 200 extra rpm to get up an incline (more if steep but not much)

I never typed using the space bar in my life, but when I do, I say #yolo

[seven]

Not sure about your trollin.... But here's mine... (Yes thats the first C5 I owned at Pocono)

Originally Posted by frosty86

I never typed using the space bar in my life, but when I do, I say #yolo

[whaap]

Originally Posted by jmaryt

should never have to slip the clutch at all to shift gears! just sayin'

The only difference between the two of us is our thoughts on what "slipping the clutch" is. When executed perfectly there will be that split second when the faces are coming together that there will be slight slippage. That's what I meant about the clutch will slip every time. I agree there is no need for excessive slippage.

[jm1681]

Originally Posted by Gen

Where the hell is that?!

[Zadkiel]

I've never heard of using the e-brake. I learned on an 87 S-10 so whatever method you're mentioning was never taught/viable. The best thing is to learn the engagement point, give it more gas more quickly, and gradually release the pedal. I had to teach my wife and she somehow got it. I'll always profess that it's easier to teach MT to someone who's never driven, than someone who's driven AT. The AT driver is too used to pressing the gas and immediately getting a result.

I've never bought an AT car. I've always preffered the simple mechanics of the MT. Even my boring Versa was MT. I've owned a 87 S-10(RWD), 2001 V6 Mustang(RWD), 1990 240SX SR20 swap(RWD), and a 2008 Nissan Versa(FWD) before my BRZ. All MT.

[einzlr]

Originally Posted by jm1681

Where the hell is that?!

I asked the same question. Still hoping for an answer...

[einzlr]

Originally Posted by Zadkiel

I've never heard of using the e-brake. I learned on an 87 S-10 so whatever method you're mentioning was never taught/viable. The best thing is to learn the engagement point, give it more gas more quickly, and gradually release the pedal. I had to teach my wife and she somehow got it. I'll always profess that it's easier to teach MT to someone who's never driven, than someone who's driven AT. The AT driver is too used to pressing the gas and immediately getting a result.

I've never bought an AT car. I've always preffered the simple mechanics of the MT. Even my boring Versa was MT. I've owned a 87 S-10(RWD), 2001 V6 Mustang(RWD), 1990 240SX SR20 swap(RWD), and a 2008 Nissan Versa(FWD) before my BRZ. All MT.

I'm thinking what's crystallizing out of this discussion are differences in the order of magnitude of the gradient that people need to negotiate, and, perhaps even more, differences in cars over the decades. Back before dirt was invented, if you started releasing the clutch without giving gas, the car would stall. On a slope, if you didn't use the handbrake you'd either roll back or lurch forward - not what you want if you're at a stoplight between two cars :P So us old timers learned to use the handbrake and I think we think of anything shallow enough to not require it as not being a "real" slope lol

[gily25]

It's more about training YOU to control the car and less about the order of doing things and how to do them.

I'll suggest an alternate...have any friends with trucks (or access to) that are stick? The roll is more dramatic, you'll have to deal with more pronounced bucking if you release too early and you need to rev it high to get it moving so you don't freak out and pull back on the accelerator when the needle skyrockets.

[jmaryt]

Originally Posted by whaap

The only difference between the two of us is our thoughts on what "slipping the clutch" is. When executed perfectly there will be that split second when the faces are coming together that there will be slight slippage. That's what I meant about the clutch will slip every time. I agree there is no need for excessive slippage.

yes! this is true,however as you mention,and i agree,the "slippage" encountered is virtually non-existant,and virtually unnoticeable,BUT ONLY
if done properly,which is a "skill" unto itself! you develop a "feel" for this over time,thus ''eliminating" the need for the e-brake.

Originally Posted by seven

Practice, I've never used the e-brake in my life (my father taught me that's a crutch and it's better to learn the right way first thing)... After a lot of practice you'll be fine.
I've been driving manual for 12 years, track days for 5-6, etc. I never roll back and rarely use more than 200 extra rpm to get up an incline (more if steep but not much)

yes anyone who has been driving stick for a long time SHOULD be able to do this,WITHOUT using the e-brake! i agree 100% i CAN do it as well,and i only mention the e-brake at all because it is the "text book" way to do it,but as mentioned,it doesn't necessarily mean that you NEED to do it if you are "skilled" and confidant enough NOT to!..just sayin'

[SleekMachine]

Whenever I'm on a slope I don't use the e-brakes just the regular brakes. Once the light turns green I just get ready with my right foot to hop on the gas soon as I am about to release the clutch. So, with the brake pedal depressed, and light green I press on the clutch with my other foot I immediately go to the gas and just give it a little push.

I move back maybe about 1/2 inch or less, depends on the how steep the slope or hill is. It all depends on the timing and control.