BRZ vs FRS - The Debate

[Hanakuso]

Originally Posted by Zadkiel

Please point out where HID's or a nav unit degrade the performance of the car.

I'm willing to bet HIDs and Nav weigh marginally more. I was thinking more of the creature comforts like heated seats, trunk liner, etc.

[ESC POD]

They're both built by Subaru...in the same plant...they're both excellent cars!! Most likely because they are built by Subaru (I kid...I'm from a Toyota fan/family since the 80's)??

[dori.]

FR-S: cooler
BRZ: classier

[steeloyangster]

Originally Posted by naikaidriver

Sorry to be the stickler for details but his name is Hawkings.

Scott

OMG! This whole time I've been calling her Mrs. Krandel! Why didn't someone tell me!

lol. Wow, I've been calling him hawkins for forever. Thanks for the call out. I'll be sure to make that edit in the future. No troll.

[Zadkiel]

Originally Posted by Hanakuso

I'm willing to bet HIDs and Nav weigh marginally more. I was thinking more of the creature comforts like heated seats, trunk liner, etc.

Let me clarify then. He pointed out that the BRZ's features go against the "driver's car" nature of the twins. I was trying to argue that buying the automatic version of the vehicle is actually more against the driver's car argument he was making.

I thought it was very ironic.

[gmookher]

BRZ has more features and better value
how can you not buy a car that lets you adjust how far away the head light beams are in real time from the drivers seat via a dial???

[MVJ1975]

Originally Posted by Zadkiel

Says the guy with an automatic. Your logic is flawed. Nav, HIDs, e.t.c. don't degrade driving performance. They're creature comforts. An automatic however, does degrade the driving of the car. Buying the auto is like buying a brand new HDTV and watching VHS tapes with it. This isn't some high end, dual clutch unit like in modern supercars.

If the BRZ/FR-S are strictly driver's cars then an automatic goes against your whole "back to basics" approach. The BRZ's extras are like putting buying a gourmet steak and having them put some crumbled blue cheese on it. It isn't strictly needed, but adds to the experience.

I'm not saying buying the FR-S is a dumb choice. For those looking for a basic car that they're going to modify anyway, it's a good start. I just decided for that little bit more, why not get it from the factory in a wrapper that is more appealing for me?

Hah. I knew someone would bring up the transmission. The problem with that is the fact the I'll openly admit that the auto was a compromise and inferior to the manual. I have my own reasons for wanting it, but the true experience should be had with the MT. I'm just glad I can own this car at all.

If you like the BRZ add-ons then it makes perfect sense to get the Subaru. They just don't hold any interest for me.

I'm somewhat opposed to gadgets and farkles in general. They have a tendency to get out of control and before long you're driving a 3 series BMW.

[ipothas]

Originally Posted by Zadkiel

Says the guy with an automatic. Your logic is flawed. Nav, HIDs, e.t.c. don't degrade driving performance. They're creature comforts. An automatic however, does degrade the driving of the car. Buying the auto is like buying a brand new HDTV and watching VHS tapes with it. This isn't some high end, dual clutch unit like in modern supercars.

If the BRZ/FR-S are strictly driver's cars then an automatic goes against your whole "back to basics" approach. The BRZ's extras are like putting buying a gourmet steak and having them put some crumbled blue cheese on it. It isn't strictly needed, but adds to the experience.

I'm not saying buying the FR-S is a dumb choice. For those looking for a basic car that they're going to modify anyway, it's a good start. I just decided for that little bit more, why not get it from the factory in a wrapper that is more appealing for me?

Without much input to the argument at hand, I would just like to say this was worded quite well.

[Zadkiel]

Originally Posted by MVJ1975

Hah. I knew someone would bring up the transmission. The problem with that is the fact the I'll openly admit that the auto was a compromise and inferior to the manual. I have my own reasons for wanting it, but the true experience should be had with the MT. I'm just glad I can own this car at all.

If you like the BRZ add-ons then it makes perfect sense to get the Subaru. They just don't hold any interest for me.

I'm not saying people are idiots for buying an automatic either. I just found it ironic you mentioning the BRZ items not being driver centric, yet you have the transmission that is even less driver centric than a few standard features for the BRZ. If you owned an AT BRZ I'd still point out the irony. Nothing to do with Scion vs Subie.

[MVJ1975]

Originally Posted by Zadkiel

I'm not saying people are idiots for buying an automatic either. I just found it ironic you mentioning the BRZ items not being driver centric, yet you have the transmission that is even less driver centric than a few standard features for the BRZ. If you owned an AT BRZ I'd still point out the irony. Nothing to do with Scion vs Subie.

Gotcha. In the end they're both great cars. At least the BRZ gives those that do want the add-ons a way to get them, what with Toyota not offering the upper trims of the GT-86 in North America.

[RedRocket]

Originally Posted by gmookher

BRZ has more features and better value
how can you not buy a car that lets you adjust how far away the head light beams are in real time from the drivers seat via a dial???

I don't know if I would say VALUE.

People associate Toyota with better resale value, and although its the same frame, engine ect, people determine resale value. The FR-S base price is over like 3% less then the BRZ base model.

I think its a crap shoot. If you like the features get the brz.. If your a pureist, go FR-S.

[wu_dot_com]

Originally Posted by Hanakuso

I'm willing to bet HIDs and Nav weigh marginally more. I was thinking more of the creature comforts like heated seats, trunk liner, etc.

how about this. the FRS weights 2758. the brz limited weights 2762..
a wooping 4lb difference or .15% weight difference.

this 4 lb wont make a noticeable difference on the driving experience unless you take the car to the extrime.

[gunmetal5]

I like the brz for the extra standard features but it's a bit too limited in # of cars sold in SoCal. I'll just have to find a way to add heated seats into my frs.

[wu_dot_com]

Originally Posted by RedRocket

I don't know if I would say VALUE.

People associate Toyota with better resale value, and although its the same frame, engine ect, people determine resale value. The FR-S base price is over like 3% less then the BRZ base model.

I think its a crap shoot. If you like the features get the brz.. If your a pureist, go FR-S.

actually the difference is 2.2% or $540.