Toyota some what confirms Celica successor

[carbonBLUE]

Originally Posted by DIG1992

which Toyota sports car would you like to be revived?

I would love to see a new celica, i loved each and every generation

I came to tears when I sold my 00' celica GTS, i put a lot of hard work into that car, but she was getting tired and old, especially because of how hard i was on that car and how many crazy memories. I shared the first kiss with my one true love in that car.

The cool thing about celicas it they were FWD, AWD, RWD, and turbo at one point or another, it was the car that wasnt afraid to change, but you still knew you were in a celica when you drove it.

If it were up to me i would want a FOUR-trac to come back and be sold in a america because the last one was over season only

[RaceR]

Im wondering what kind of drvetrain the lower more mass-market and cheaper sports car might have.

1. It is not very likely to be sporty, AWD, cheaper than 86 and appeal to the mass market. I find it hard to fit all those things in one car.
Typically AWD + sportscar= More expensive than GT86.

2. FWD is cheaper to produce. A little more room in the back seat should fit the "mass market". Sporty handling and coupe lines. That would fit pretty good!
But I personally would not call a FWD a sports-car. Its more like a sporty car if made right..
And there is a big BUT. Do we need another FWD car like that?
Look at this thread for a list of cars we have.
EU is filled with FWD hot hatches in all price ranges! Why make another one?
EU does not have many coupe like cheap FF cars. But if they would be popular im guessing cars like Nissan Altima, Honda Civic Si or Scion Tc would sell well. As far as I know, they don't. All of those are in the US + several hot hatches.. Does the US really need another car in that class??

3. So, a MR2 type of car would be great! Compared to 86 it could have 2 seats, small and light, smaller engine, smaller and cheaper drivetrain, smaller brakes.. Less airbags, less speakers.. That way they could make it cheaper, and a sports car.
Would it appeal the mass market?? Not sure.. But if cheap and sporty enough, maybe..
If not MR layout, what about a modern and larger Suzuki cappuchino?

Say a 1L turbocharged engine. 125hp. Below 900kg/2000lbs.
Again.. the "mass market" is a problem if price is not very low and the car is not large enough. But a car like that would be awesome!

4. RWD "normal car" with sports-car handling. There are currently no manufactureres making something like that. ZERO real competition.
1-series is premium and not that cheap, and not a proper sports car. Most cheaper coupes/hatches like Civic SI/ Scion tc are fwd.. So of they can make it affordable and have decent space. Thereby hitting the mass market. Then bring it on Toyota!

[M-17]

Well this is news to me... so I'd consider a new MR to the list of cars I'd buy in the future.

[be6sti]

Originally Posted by RaceR;
If not MR layout, what about a modern and larger Suzuki cappuchino?
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Say a 1L turbocharged engine. 125hp. Below 900kg/2000lbs.
Again.. the "mass market" is a problem if price is not very low and the car is not large enough. But a car like that would be awesome!

4. RWD "normal car" with sports-car handling. There are currently no manufactureres making something like that. ZERO real competition.
1-series is premium and not that cheap, and not a proper sports car. Most cheaper coupes/hatches like Civic SI/ Scion tc are fwd.. So of they can make it affordable and have decent space. Thereby hitting the mass market. Then bring it on Toyota!

Omfg initial d ftw that car is epic XD


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[switchlanez]

Haha "somewhat confirms" is like an oxymoron. It's a sure thing... maybe? :p

[RaceR]

Originally Posted by switchlanez

Haha "somewhat confirms" is like an oxymoron. It's a sure thing... maybe? :p

Basically Tetsuya Tada/Toyta is planning to make two new sport cars.. But it can not be confirmed since they are in a every early stage of planning. Since he is saying a team is on the work with the process of conceptualizing that means that they are planning for it to happen.

It like a girl saying. If you behave nicely you might be lucky tonight.
That translates: Most likely you will get some action of nothing comes in the way...

[RRnold]

When asked if the higher-end sports car is the successor to the Supra, Tada said it could possibly be but that nothing is sure yet since his team is still in the process of conceptualizing the two other Toyota sports cars. He also noted that it takes five years to develop a sports car from conceptualization to production, as compared with the three years it normally takes to develop a regular vehicle.

Supra name trademark submitted in 2010, endless rumors of the FT-HS for 2015, 5 yrs of development... I think this is sort of coming together rather nicely.

Tada, please make this Toyota quality like how you used to make cars. No more joint partnerships w/Subaru but hell yes with BMW. You're done swimming with the fishes, now it's time to swim with the sharks.

[vh_supra26]

Originally Posted by RRnold

When asked if the higher-end sports car is the successor to the Supra, Tada said it could possibly be but that nothing is sure yet since his team is still in the process of conceptualizing the two other Toyota sports cars. He also noted that it takes five years to develop a sports car from conceptualization to production, as compared with the three years it normally takes to develop a regular vehicle.

Supra name trademark submitted in 2010, endless rumors of the FT-HS for 2015, 5 yrs of development... I think this is sort of coming together rather nicely.

Tada, please make this Toyota quality like how you used to make cars. No more joint partnerships w/Subaru but hell yes with BMW. You're done swimming with the fishes, now it's time to swim with the sharks.

+1 I love the looks of the FT-HS

[RRnold]

Toyota just needs to remove the Hybrid emblem in place of a... XXth Anniversary



And please bring back the RSP!

[Dave-ROR]

Man I hope it doesn't look like the TES or GRMN or whatever concepts. barf.

[RaceR]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

Man I hope it doesn't look like the TES or GRMN or whatever concepts. barf.

+1

The Daihatsu Copen car (TES). Is just way to feminime and girly. And it looks outdated! Not a car for the mass market. The front end of the TES helps in terms of removing some feminime lines, but it is ugly.
Bring us FT-HS (looks awesome!), or some modern "Kei car" like the one i posted on the previous page in this thread.

[vh_supra26]

SINGAPORE - The radical new Toyota 86 compact coupé is only the first of three new sports car line-ups that the Japanese carmaker is planning as part of a new business model that seeks to create a bond with buyers.

"The 86 is in the middle but we don't know when the other two will be ready," says Tetsuya Tada, the chief engineer of the 86, the first sports car for the Japanese giant carmaker in recent history.

A lightweight 2+2 model, the 86 has a 2.0-litre horizontally opposed engine in front to drive the rear wheels in classic fashion.

Mr Tada continues: "The 86 needed five years to develop, so at least five years is required for the others. A normal passenger car about two to three years. But sports cars need special parts, so it's five years."

Also not determined is whether the other two cars will be coupés or convertibles, or if they will have different engine/drive layouts "because technology changes, so we have to find the best layout".

So it is entirely possible that one of the line-ups could have a mid-engine, rear-wheel-drive layout like the discontinued two-seater MR2 (also called the MR-S in its final iteration).

But one thing is certain - the higher-end sports model is likely to be introduced before the entry-level car.

Mr Tada explains with a smile: "The president (Akio Toyoda) has asked me to make a successor to the Supra as soon as possible." The chief engineer was speaking in Germany at the recent launch of the Toyota 86 Experience to highlight the model's sporty abilities.

"The 86 was not conceived for pure speed but for driving pleasure," he explains.

It was inspired by the AE86 Levin of 1983, the original lightweight Toyota coupé which also happened to be Mr Tada's first car when he joined the firm.

It also has the ability to be extensively customised as per owner's wishes.

"The philosophy of the 86 is that it is an open concept," says Mr Tada.

The conventional way is for the carmaker to produce a car and call it perfect, which means the users don't have to or can't do anything else.

For example, if the rims and tyres are changed, the manufacturer's warranty is void.

Instead, the 86 was created as a car with the potential to change into something the customer wants it to be.

"Why? Because if you ask 100 people what you think of the car, you will get 100 answers. They all have different views," he said.

Hence the open concept, which will satisfy customers because the car evolves with them and make 100 people's dreams come true.

Taking it one step further, Toyota has even made Playstation integration possible.

A black box can record a track day session, and the telemetry downloaded to be played back and shared with other gamers on their Sony Playstation consoles. As a result, the addition of a turbo or supercharger can be simulated to see how it will enhance the naturally aspirated 86's performance.

So far, the success of the 86 has been a surprise, not least of all for rivals Nissan and Honda.

"They realise from the 86's sales that they have to go back to this kind of car. If everybody goes back to their roots, everyone can have a one-make race," says the former racer.

He reveals that Toyota wants to make sports cars again because "it is a very important strategy".

"We have two pillars - an ecological car and driving fun. We must balance these two aims otherwise users won't recognise us a true carmaker."

But Mr Tada notes that the mass production of sports cars has ceased to be a conventional business.

After the financial crisis of 2009, Toyota realised that it could no longer sell cars to dealers to make money because "the car population (was) not going to increase in future".

"So this is a new business model. When customers buy a car, it creates a new bond between the manufacturer and the owner - we do not just profit from selling the car," he said.

http://www.asiaone.com/Motoring/News...01-380919.html

[Giccin]

I hope that GRMN's lines get better.

Gawd.. this smooth line like design sucks. Lol

[vh_supra26]

Toyota's future sports cars

Another two models are set to join the icon-reviving 86 in showrooms


Modernday replacement for MR-S is being mooted.




FT-HS concept points to possible Supra successor.

Toyota's future sports car line-up is expected to swell to three models after the successful launch of the 86 coupe.

One of them will be positioned over the 86 and is most likely to revive the glory days of the Supra, while the other would sit below the 86. The sportscar strategy was revealed by Tetsuya Tada, chief engineer of the 86, during an interview with the Thai media in Germany last week.

"We are open to collaborations," says Tada, reflecting on the 86, which was jointly developed with the Subaru BRZ. "We are seeking the best solutions for our three-model strategy which will see the 86 sitting in the middle."

Although Tada hasn't specifically revealed the partner, the "collaboration" could have been referring to a recent cooperation programme Toyota announced earlier this year.

After inking a deal to swap diesel and electrified power trains with BMW, Toyota is said to be looking into co-developing a new sports car with the premium German brand.

The tie-up could see BMW supplying a rear-wheel-drive platform to the modern-day successor to the Supra, while hybrid know-how could come from Japan's largest car maker.

Tada concedes that today's petrol-electric hybrid systems used in various applications of both Toyota and its upscale brand Lexus isn't suitable for sporty cars.

"We are now in the development stage [of making a hybrid suitable for sporty cars]," he says.

BMW has earlier announced that it intends to sell a new sports car with hybrid technology under the i8 sub-brand (the i3 will be a five-door city car).

Toyota's first intention of building a Supra successor was showcased in the FT-HS concept shown in Detroit five years ago. It could go into direct contention with the Nissan 370Z Fairlady.

Tada fell short on the details of the new entry-level model slotting beneath the 86.

One possible link could be Lotus, a maker of a compact mid-engine sports car that utilises a four-cylinder 1.8-litre petrol engine from Toyota.

Toyota once made the MR-S (MR-2) mid-engine two-seat roadster and could revive it by linking it to the Elise from Lotus, a troubled sports car maker now seeking new financing for its future models.

But Tada stresses that the baby sports car's concept will similar to the 86 in the sense that Toyota will be open-minded with customer requirements.

The 86 only comes with a naturally aspirated engine in 200hp guise. Toyota is now letting the Japanese after-market sector tune the 86's flat-four 2.0-litre engine in various styles.

Such a move would allow Toyota to assess whether 86 customers would prefer turbocharging or supercharging forced induction if they want more performance.

Tada believes that turbo tech has a disadvantage in terms of engine response and prefers the supercharging concept for its more instantaneous feel.

http://www.bangkokpost.com/auto/auto...re-sports-cars