Toyota some what confirms Celica successor - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

DIG1992 · 10-10-2012, 10:58 AM

http://www.topgear.com.ph/news/toyot...his-Weeks-Poll

We sat down with Toyota 86 chief engineer Tetsuya Tada during an international media event for the groundbreaking compact RWD sports car, and he shared with us some of his company's future product plans. According to Tada, the 86 is just the first of three sports cars that Toyota is planning to roll out, and that the 86 is the middle of the two in terms of market positioning.
"The first is more mass-market and cheaper than the 86," Tada revealed. "And the third is more upmarket than the 86."
When asked if the higher-end sports car is the successor to the Supra, Tada said it could possibly be but that nothing is sure yet since his team is still in the process of conceptualizing the two other Toyota sports cars. He also noted that it takes five years to develop a sports car from conceptualization to production, as compared with the three years it normally takes to develop a regular vehicle.
Prior to the 86, Toyota's last sports car in production was the MR-S.
If you had a choice, which Toyota sports car would you like to be revived?

whaap · 10-10-2012, 11:19 AM

The only sporty/sports car that Toyota ever made that held my interest was the MR-2. I didn't care too much for the 1st generation but the one that followed always reminded me of a baby Ferrari.

midenginebias · 10-10-2012, 11:42 AM

The MR2, but it will be interesting how light they'll make it and what design language they want to express. Gen I and Gen III were of the lightweight, minimal, short wheelbase group, while Gen II is more in line with the FR-S, just with a mid engine setup.

I'll be impressed if they use the 2AR-FE engine out of the 2013 Scion TC to just undercut the FR-S's engine output, but I think they'll use the 2AZ-FE for more of a power cushion. Either engine in a lighter platform should provide ~160hp and 25/33mpg with related drivetrain gearing.

n2oinferno · 10-10-2012, 12:04 PM

I have a prediction..

Didn't they say we wouldn't get the Scion here as a convertible, but the rest of the world may as a Toyota?

MR2, a new 2-seater inexpensive convertible sports car, and the Supra as their new high end.

RaceR · 10-10-2012, 12:08 PM

Exiting news!

Hoping for something RWD with LSD for the " cheaper mass market model"...
And much lower CO2 compared to FR-S, with a little decrease in HP.

Something like this!

blur · 10-10-2012, 01:42 PM

Celica might be coming back as the cheaper one... it'll probably be more expensive than the tC, 6 speed like the old one, hopefully a hatch... likely with a relatively high revving inline 4. I doubt the MR-S will come back since it's lack of practicality was a major turn off to many buyers.

Dave-ROR · 10-10-2012, 02:05 PM

New MR2.. if it's good you'll see this ad from me "FS: 2013 WRB BRZ Limited".

ichitaka05 · 10-10-2012, 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

New MR2.. if it's good you'll see this ad from me "FS: 2013 WRB BRZ Limited".

Really? Never knew you were MR2 fan.

Rayme · 10-10-2012, 02:36 PM

I'd love to see a proper new supra, even though it would be way out of my price range.

As far as the celica goes, with the FR-S and TC they really should do something drastic like bringing back a turbo AWD version to compete with the WRX / EVO, if it's just a plain jane sporty FWD it really needs to be something to compete with the SIR / MS3, etc…

The MR2, well it just has no competition

Dave-ROR · 10-10-2012, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Really? Never knew you were MR2 fan.

I love MR2s

Hanakuso · 10-10-2012, 05:03 PM

I'm excited to see another MR-S/MR2. I hope it follows in the footsteps of the previous gen. Light and agile. If it's something equivalent to the MR2 with a 2ZZ, I might have to trade in my FRS for that.

Rampage · 10-10-2012, 05:05 PM

My personal opinion but I have never considered a Supra a sports car. More of a GT car. (Yes, I have owned one in the past.) So I hope that the low end car is the Celica replacement and the higher market car is the MR2 replacement. Take that Toybaru flat four and drop it in a two seater mid-engined chassis with a six speed bolted up behind it. You could probably even make it low enough that you could have a rear trunk ala the Porsche Boxster and Cayman thus solving the only real complaint that anyone had about the Spyder (except the Pikachu face).

Five years is too long to wait though!

Dave-ROR · 10-10-2012, 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rampage

My personal opinion but I have never considered a Supra a sports car. More of a GT car. (Yes, I have owned one in the past.) So I hope that the low end car is the Celica replacement and the higher market car is the MR2 replacement. Take that Toybaru flat four and drop it in a two seater mid-engined chassis with a six speed bolted up behind it. You could probably even make it low enough that you could have a rear trunk ala the Porsche Boxster and Cayman thus solving the only real complaint that anyone had about the Spyder (except the Pikachu face).

Five years is too long to wait though!

5 years seems like a perfect time to sell my BRZ. :shrug:

Shagaliscious · 10-10-2012, 05:09 PM

Oh man, I would probably sell my FR-S if they make a new MR2. Love the MR2.

10-10-2012, 10:58 AM	#1
DIG1992 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Drives: 2002 Acura TL Location: West Caldwell Posts: 432 Thanks: 74 Thanked 191 Times in 76 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Toyota some what confirms Celica successor http://www.topgear.com.ph/news/toyot...his-Weeks-Poll We sat down with Toyota 86 chief engineer Tetsuya Tada during an international media event for the groundbreaking compact RWD sports car, and he shared with us some of his company's future product plans. According to Tada, the 86 is just the first of three sports cars that Toyota is planning to roll out, and that the 86 is the middle of the two in terms of market positioning. "The first is more mass-market and cheaper than the 86," Tada revealed. "And the third is more upmarket than the 86." When asked if the higher-end sports car is the successor to the Supra, Tada said it could possibly be but that nothing is sure yet since his team is still in the process of conceptualizing the two other Toyota sports cars. He also noted that it takes five years to develop a sports car from conceptualization to production, as compared with the three years it normally takes to develop a regular vehicle. Prior to the 86, Toyota's last sports car in production was the MR-S. If you had a choice, which Toyota sports car would you like to be revived?

10-10-2012, 11:42 AM	#3
midenginebias Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Drives: 2001 Mr2 Spyder Location: OC Posts: 127 Thanks: 10 Thanked 20 Times in 9 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	The MR2, but it will be interesting how light they'll make it and what design language they want to express. Gen I and Gen III were of the lightweight, minimal, short wheelbase group, while Gen II is more in line with the FR-S, just with a mid engine setup. I'll be impressed if they use the 2AR-FE engine out of the 2013 Scion TC to just undercut the FR-S's engine output, but I think they'll use the 2AZ-FE for more of a power cushion. Either engine in a lighter platform should provide ~160hp and 25/33mpg with related drivetrain gearing. __________________ Member of Heya Project for Fr-S/BrZ. Tire choice, Dash, Options list, Engine, Chassis, Suggestions; My fault Owned N/A '93 Mr2, N/A '91 Mr2, '98 Corolla, Mazdaspeed Mx-5, '07 Legacy Wagon, E90 328i well maintained and lit up on fire while driving on the freeway in traffic.

10-10-2012, 12:08 PM	#5
RaceR Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Drives: 2010 Cooper S, 74 Beetle Location: Norway Posts: 726 Thanks: 239 Thanked 252 Times in 124 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Exiting news! Hoping for something RWD with LSD for the " cheaper mass market model"... And much lower CO2 compared to FR-S, with a little decrease in HP. Something like this! Last edited by RaceR; 10-10-2012 at 12:25 PM.

10-10-2012, 01:42 PM	#6
blur ლ(ಠ益ಠ)ლ Join Date: Apr 2010 Drives: E36 5.7 V8 Location: Bronx, NYC Posts: 1,573 Thanks: 194 Thanked 198 Times in 112 Posts Mentioned: 3 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Celica might be coming back as the cheaper one... it'll probably be more expensive than the tC, 6 speed like the old one, hopefully a hatch... likely with a relatively high revving inline 4. I doubt the MR-S will come back since it's lack of practicality was a major turn off to many buyers. __________________ I wish I was cool enough to have an FR-S Last edited by blur; 10-12-2012 at 10:52 AM.

10-10-2012, 02:05 PM	#7
Dave-ROR Site Moderator Join Date: Dec 2010 Drives: Stuff Location: Florida Posts: 10,317 Thanks: 955 Thanked 5,965 Times in 2,689 Posts Mentioned: 262 Post(s) Tagged: 8 Thread(s)	New MR2.. if it's good you'll see this ad from me "FS: 2013 WRB BRZ Limited". __________________ -Dave Track cars: 2013 Scion FRS, 1998 Acura Integra Type-R, 1993 Honda Civic Hatchback DD: 2005 Acura TSX Tow: 2022 F-450 Toys: 2001 Chevrolet Corvette Z06, 1993 Toyota MR2 Turbo, 1994 Toyota MR2 Turbo, 1991 Mitsubishi Galant VR-4 Parts: 2015 Subaru BRZ Limited, 2005 Acura TSX Projects: 2013 Subaru BRZ Limited track car build FS: 2004 GMC Sierra 2500 LT CCSB 8.1/Allison with 99k miles

10-10-2012, 11:19 AM	#2
whaap Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Drives: '13 FR-S firestorm, 6 mt - '11 CR-V Location: Tucson Posts: 2,133 Thanks: 243 Thanked 1,387 Times in 657 Posts Mentioned: 36 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	The only sporty/sports car that Toyota ever made that held my interest was the MR-2. I didn't care too much for the 1st generation but the one that followed always reminded me of a baby Ferrari.

10-10-2012, 12:04 PM	#4
n2oinferno Praise Helix! Join Date: Jan 2011 Drives: Accord 2.0T, Silverado Location: Upstate SC Posts: 2,859 Thanks: 428 Thanked 2,208 Times in 1,072 Posts Mentioned: 11 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	I have a prediction.. Didn't they say we wouldn't get the Scion here as a convertible, but the rest of the world may as a Toyota? MR2, a new 2-seater inexpensive convertible sports car, and the Supra as their new high end.

10-10-2012, 02:36 PM	#9
Rayme The Answer Join Date: Sep 2012 Drives: Mazda 2 Location: Moncton, NB Posts: 1,233 Thanks: 488 Thanked 661 Times in 315 Posts Mentioned: 6 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I'd love to see a proper new supra, even though it would be way out of my price range. As far as the celica goes, with the FR-S and TC they really should do something drastic like bringing back a turbo AWD version to compete with the WRX / EVO, if it's just a plain jane sporty FWD it really needs to be something to compete with the SIR / MS3, etc… The MR2, well it just has no competition

10-10-2012, 05:03 PM	#11
Hanakuso Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Drives: FR-S Location: California Posts: 1,956 Thanks: 294 Thanked 673 Times in 390 Posts Mentioned: 11 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	I'm excited to see another MR-S/MR2. I hope it follows in the footsteps of the previous gen. Light and agile. If it's something equivalent to the MR2 with a 2ZZ, I might have to trade in my FRS for that.

10-10-2012, 05:05 PM	#12
Rampage Senior Member/Old Fanboi Join Date: Nov 2011 Drives: 2000 2ZZ-GE MR2 Spyder HT Location: Back home in Ohio now Posts: 2,446 Thanks: 1,931 Thanked 2,014 Times in 915 Posts Mentioned: 16 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	My personal opinion but I have never considered a Supra a sports car. More of a GT car. (Yes, I have owned one in the past.) So I hope that the low end car is the Celica replacement and the higher market car is the MR2 replacement. Take that Toybaru flat four and drop it in a two seater mid-engined chassis with a six speed bolted up behind it. You could probably even make it low enough that you could have a rear trunk ala the Porsche Boxster and Cayman thus solving the only real complaint that anyone had about the Spyder (except the Pikachu face). Five years is too long to wait though! __________________ So many modders have more cents than sense!

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