Perrin STG1 tune

[RedRocket]

Originally Posted by gmookher

Lets take any potential for my BIAS away from this for just a moment

PERRIN
-decade+ history of product innovation, magazine article after another
-30,000 sq foot test facility/dyno/showroom
-cnc design and production
-polymer engineering and production
-stainless tubing design, flo test, production
-tuning and oodles of testing before release, a long reputation to protect within subie, evo and mini community
-dedication to our platform(boxers)
-dedicated products in the pipeline, like a oil cooler
-more company than one person hiding behind a plethora of LLCs..

VISCONTI
-one man show
-I hear he can make fuel maps for cars, real good




sorry, what was that you were saying? This is a Perrin thread, so trying to support 'other vendors' tune is not gonna happen. Those of you who are lucky enough to have waited, and have the option to choose whose tune you may want to buy... Perrins tune is fast, safe, proven, (ehm still being proven) dont do it cause I say its gonna rip your neck off above 6000rpms...but it is. Who you want to deal with and whose software is running your car is entirely up to you.

I am betting the pricing will be competitive, I honestly dont have details on that, but I chose the Perrin products that are on my car not cause they were the least expensive, but because they were the best. Just look at the flange thickness of their flange and compare it to anyone elses flange. Anyone else. So yeah, they have seemingly earned my respect; and likely deserve yours- whether I have earned yours or not isnt what the thread is about...who you pay for your STG1 map is the topic.

Am I biased-hell yeah. I totally dig perrin and what they do empirically for my car. I got their tune, their bushings, their pipes, and I love it.

I've HIGHLIGHTED A SECTION FOR YOU.

SINCE THATS REALLY WHAT I'm INTERESTED IN BUYING. I THOUGHT IT was interesting that you would say he does a good job.

As I understood it, Perrin would be putting out a COOKIE cutter type single map.


OHHH and by the way I hear Sherman Williams makes great paint, but does that mean your going to buy a turbo charger from them?

CLEARLY you're blindly bias.

I don't think anyone should take your word on account of its objectivity.

You've clearly made your point.. You hate Perrins competition. For reasons that don't relate to the quality of the product he offers..

[RedRocket]

Originally Posted by Zaneman

I love my Perrin tune. It was the first Mod I did on the car and I was instantly able to tell. The car sounded way different, had more noticeable power and became more fun to drive. For the money it was definitely worth it. I don't know which version I'm on but with free updates when Jeff changes it I feel it was worth it. Also I love what Jeff did with the DBW throttle response. I'm really looking forward to their Intake + tune. I'm hoping they can make some good power with it.

This is what a honest piece of input looks like.

[RedRocket]

Originally Posted by 2forme

SRT.

[2forme]

Originally Posted by RedRocket

I've HIGHLIGHTED A SECTION FOR YOU.

SINCE THATS REALLY WHAT I'm INTERESTED IN BUYING. I THOUGHT IT was interesting that you would say he does a good job.

As I understood it, Perrin would be putting out a COOKIE cutter type single map.


OHHH and by the way I hear Sherman Williams makes great paint, but does that mean your going to buy a turbo charger from them?

CLEARLY you're blindly bias.

I don't think anyone should take your word on account of its objectivity.

You've clearly made your point.. You hate Perrins competition. For reasons that don't relate to the quality of the product he offers..

Please don't get him started.

[Mobius357]

Yes, can we please not continue that moronic pissing contest, trying to find worthwhile information in these tuning threads is like looking for Waldo, frustrating.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to Perrin's offerings, and eventually some side by sides of Perrin, Visconti, FA20club, and other tuning options yet to come about. I remember getting just an off the shelf tune for my truck made a night and day difference in driving feel. If I could get a similar improvement on the car, I'd be a very driver.

[xjohnx]

Originally Posted by RedRocket

OHHH and by the way I hear Sherman Williams makes great paint, but does that mean your going to buy a turbo charger from them?

FWIW, Sherwin Williams paint is garbage. Benjamin Moore makes damn good paint though, and they are often confused because of their names.

[Bu-Tang]

IMO, Im just happy Perrin and Visconti and FA20club are all using the same platform, now anyone that has an ECUTEK cable and licence can buy from any of them and use it.

I got my Ecutek from Visconsti, and paid for his tune, however I would have no problem buying Perrin's tune when they release as well.

especially considering ECUtek charges 700 bucks for there gear alone. Already spent that much may as well use that to my full advantage.

Just my 2 cents :P

[pdreams]

I look torward to Perrin's tune even if its what some would say its a cookie cutter map.

For what Visconti's maps are worth, its just a letdown to not receive a reply from email or PM from weeks ago regarding a purchase for his tunes. I can only conclude from my own observations that I am not based in the USA or anywhere near for him to conduct business. Its no fault of his to slight the sale of a tune but it would have been nice to at least have a reply saying he does not ship overseas or something.

As for Perrin, I have had experience with their LIVE help and they did afterall shipped their pipes and pulley to me, whether its USA or Singapore. Its strange that people can come up w their own conclusions that it might not be as good as a custom tune when its not even launched yet. Unless its a night and day difference btw Perrin's tune and other custom tunes, I don't see how the benefits of a custom tune is going to be way better. But thats just me.

All in all, like the way Perrin conducts their business and look forward to their products.

[xxscaxx]

To be fair, Visconti's tune is a "cookie cutter map". You then datalog for him and he adjusts whatever needs to be adjusted to better suit your car.

I'm joining up with Perrin to be a tester and that is exactly what will be happening as well. Now i'm not sure if this is what will be happening when the tune is released or not to the public.

[RedRocket]

Originally Posted by xxscaxx

To be fair, Visconti's tune is a "cookie cutter map". You then datalog for him and he adjusts whatever needs to be adjusted to better suit your car.

I'm joining up with Perrin to be a tester and that is exactly what will be happening as well. Now i'm not sure if this is what will be happening when the tune is released or not to the public.

Good Look. Thanks. I would love to get ahold of a Perrin tune. They really are one of my favorite companies. I try to stay objective so we can get the best info.

[Foobar]

Is Perrin looking for more testers? Any specific configurations/geographic locations desired?

[2forme]

Originally Posted by xxscaxx

To be fair, Visconti's tune is a "cookie cutter map". You then datalog for him and he adjusts whatever needs to be adjusted to better suit your car.

I'm joining up with Perrin to be a tester and that is exactly what will be happening as well. Now i'm not sure if this is what will be happening when the tune is released or not to the public.

This is only kinda true.

Visconti has tunes adjusted for different intakes. I know he's got one for Injen, AIRAID, and aFe. They each require different tuning because of the way the MAF sensor reads and amount of flow they allow. This is important because a "cookie cutter" tune *COULD* end up running lean when swapping from stock to, say, Injen (since they bypass some air past the sensor to lean it out).

Which begs the question. Is Perrin going to prepare tunes for each intake?

[Foobar]

Originally Posted by 2forme

This is only kinda true.

Visconti has tunes adjusted for different intakes. I know he's got one for Injen, AIRAID, and aFe. They each require different tuning because of the way the MAF sensor reads and amount of flow they allow. This is important because a "cookie cutter" tune *COULD* end up running lean when swapping from stock to, say, Injen (since they bypass some air past the sensor to lean it out).

Which begs the question. Is Perrin going to prepare tunes for each intake?

I don't want to derail this thread any more than necessary, but I just wanted to add to this - while Visconti had made some tweaks for the aftermarket intakes, it's not clear if he's actually making those available to the folks that bought the tune. For instance, he just sent out an update last night, but I'm pretty sure he didn't hand pick an AIRAID tune out for me. I think the tune he sent out has some general tweaks that address the bogging for all tunes combined, and not necessarily something that tweaks performance to the specific intake.

That said, those of you who have personally done dyno sessions with him, yeah I'm sure you have a tweaked tune for your car, but that is not something that I would expect Visconti to be doing for each and every one of us who bought STG1 tunes.

Full disclosure: I have Visconti's STG1 tune and am quite happy with it. I helped him with logging the AIRAID bogging problem early on, so I *know* for fact that he did something to address it in the tune, but it's been rolled into the general available tune file as far as I'm aware.

I appreciate all the tuning work that all these guys are doing, and since the barrier to entry (cable/license) is already settled for me, I will most likely give the various tuners a try to compare their product/service offerings.

[2forme]

Originally Posted by Foobar

I don't want to derail this thread any more than necessary, but I just wanted to add to this - while Visconti had made some tweaks for the aftermarket intakes, it's not clear if he's actually making those available to the folks that bought the tune. For instance, he just sent out an update last night, but I'm pretty sure he didn't hand pick an AIRAID tune out for me. I think the tune he sent out has some general tweaks that address the bogging for all tunes combined, and not necessarily something that tweaks performance to the specific intake.

That said, those of you who have personally done dyno sessions with him, yeah I'm sure you have a tweaked tune for your car, but that is not something that I would expect Visconti to be doing for each and every one of us who bought STG1 tunes.

Full disclosure: I have Visconti's STG1 tune and am quite happy with it. I helped him with logging the AIRAID bogging problem early on, so I *know* for fact that he did something to address it in the tune, but it's been rolled into the general available tune file as far as I'm aware.

I appreciate all the tuning work that all these guys are doing, and since the barrier to entry (cable/license) is already settled for me, I will most likely give the various tuners a try to compare their product/service offerings.

Try asking him? I agree, let's not derail the thread. I just didn't want misinformation going out. I know he's got different calibrations for each intake.