Cusco Braces Review

[Unleashed]

Originally Posted by illusivema70

I will take 10 doses of placebo please bartender! I am going to have to disagree with you wholeheartedly. If you do not drive your vehicle aggressively before and after the install then you might not truly appreciate the "placebo" effect of these awesome braces. I will tell you that they "feel" amazing, help reduce the minor flex the car has and the take off and braking feels so much "crisper". Either way there should be no disagreement that this allows the suspension cycle in a more responsive manner.

agree to disagree?

Thanks for supporting me in my performance sales venture @ Unleashed, can't wait to try out the coilovers.

^Totally agree

Your welcome man, and thanks for the awesome parts! You'll be seeing more of me in the future.

[illusivema70]

Originally Posted by Captain Snooze

Hypothesis : If there were benefits of a tower brace then the manufacture would have installed one.

I am suggesting that strut braces are relatively inexpensive to make, very little in the way of cons (the only thing i can think of is extra weight). I am also suggesting there would be more benefit in fitting higher durometer bushings as I think there would be more flex in the bushings than in the chassis.
I would like to see the results of this:


Please note this post is just conjecture on my part.

I have heard this before from many. I would imagine it would fall into the category of being able to sell accessories etc. Why make a perfect product? Good theory btw

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[fatoni]

Originally Posted by illusivema70

I have heard this before from many. I would imagine it would fall into the category of being able to sell accessories etc. Why make a perfect product? Good theory btw

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im pretty sure scion isnt holding out on a strut tower bar because they want to make sure cusco can make some money. i think there was a time when these things were useful. many cars dont start out as sports cars and in the 80s and early 90s there was significant deflection in a chassis. companies have much better tools and knowledge at their disposal but these components have just become a vestigal component of car modifications

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by fatoni

im going to assume that is all the placebo effect because im pretty sure none of that stuff affects the body roll in the least

I just learned about the term 'astroturfing'...

The reduction of roll from bracing is pretty hilarious.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by fatoni

yeah this is one of those topics where the community is split in two. im glad you like the products. the responsiveness might change but body roll itself is primarily a function of spring rates and the distance from the roll axis and the cog.

Agreed.

[zoomzoomers]

For the manufacturers its all about the bottom line and return on invested capital and resources. If they invested that additional $15 to add a strut bar would that result in additional sales? Conversely, if thay don't include one at the factory, saving $15, would that prevent you from purchasing it? Those are usually questions left to the bean counters at most firms.

It's really more about the bottom line rather than performance, for tge most part. This results in vehicles that have compromises. This ultimately results in the creation of the aftermarket industry in an effort, by enthusiasts, to correct many compromises made by the manufacturers.

Originally Posted by fatoni

im pretty sure scion isnt holding out on a strut tower bar because they want to make sure cusco can make some money. i think there was a time when these things were useful. many cars dont start out as sports cars and in the 80s and early 90s there was significant deflection in a chassis. companies have much better tools and knowledge at their disposal but these components have just become a vestigal component of car modifications

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by zoomzoomers

For the manufacturers its all about the bottom line and return on invested capital and resources. If they invested that additional $15 to add a strut bar would that result in additional sales? Conversely, if thay don't include one at the factory, saving $15, would that prevent you from purchasing it? Those are usually questions left to the bean counters at most firms.

It's really more about the bottom line rather than performance, for tge most part. This results in vehicles that have compromises. This ultimately results in the creation of the aftermarket industry in an effort, by enthusiasts, to correct many compromises made by the manufacturers.

that makes sense but we can already see in this same exact model where that thought process was ignored. those prius tires are clearly not a function of bean counting as they are crazy expensive. that kind of thing can be seen throughout the car. aluminum pieces are expensive and wont really change the sales numbers. direct and port injections is not selling many cars either.

this car is likely being sold at the test drive. if these components would have increased the feel in a significant way, they would have been there. obviously this is all my opinion but still. :happy0180:

[Silverdub]

Very nice! J plan on getting those as well very soon!!!!!

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Dimman

I just learned about the term 'astroturfing'...

The reduction of roll from bracing is pretty hilarious.

thanks for introducing that nomenclature to me.

it does strike me as odd that people (speaking from me and my personal experience) will shop for shocks or engine parts and we want to see a dyno. when we buy tires, we want to look at a treadwear rating. we are always looking for quantifiable aspects of a part but for some reason, nobody ever asks for verification that these are actually do anything. why arent there chassis braces bolted up on your house or your shoes?

[zoomzoomers]

Originally Posted by fatoni

that makes sense but we can already see in this same exact model where that thought process was ignored. those prius tires are clearly not a function of bean counting as they are crazy expensive. that kind of thing can be seen throughout the car. aluminum pieces are expensive and wont really change the sales numbers. direct and port injections is not selling many cars either.

this car is likely being sold at the test drive. if these components would have increased the feel in a significant way, they would have been there. obviously this is all my opinion but still. :happy0180:

Yes, I think it has a lot to do with the fact that Toyota/Subaru set out from the onset to design a sports car. Instead a people mover, like a Camry. I'd put money down that the use of the "Prius" tires was the sole result of the fact that Toyota had a large supply from the Prius bin and the tire just coincidentally fit the size mandated by the engineers.

[Dave-ROR]

Regardless his review becomes 100% placebo after mentioning the reduction in body roll.

[TheSt|G]

Originally Posted by zoomzoomers

Yes, I think it has a lot to do with the fact that Toyota/Subaru set out from the onset to design a sports car. Instead a people mover, like a Camry. I'd put money down that the use of the "Prius" tires was the sole result of the fact that Toyota had a large supply from the Prius bin and the tire just coincidentally fit the size mandated by the engineers.

The Prius tires also make the car exceptionally fun to drive out the door. If it came with Supersports the car wouldn't slide in the slightest, and would be dull to drive.

[Unleashed]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

Regardless his review becomes 100% placebo after mentioning the reduction in body roll.

It doesn't really matter if it's placebo effect or not, it makes the car feel more fun to drive to me and thats all that matters.


Appreciate all the comments

[illusivema70]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

Regardless his review becomes 100% placebo after mentioning the reduction in body roll.

explain? not challenging you, simply would like to gain some knowledge.

also can you say

Prius tires, like mentioned above, manufacturers are constantly bidding for contracts, buying tires for FRS only would cost more than buying for both. simple business practice.