Toyota Celica name possible for European/Asian market

[205R]

Originally Posted by ToyotaObsession

Good luck with that. Has any domestic sports car been RHD? It would be kinda cool to see a new RHD Camaro.

Do you mean have any US domestic sports cars?

Stupid thing is the Camaro was largley designed by holden and sits on a cut n' shut VE Commodore platform... how rude to not make a RHD version for us



As for the name of the FT-86... I dont understand why calling it a celica is such a big deal, I think the styling fits, parts of it remind me a lot of a 6th gen (that also reminds me of the last supra) and that model celica had cred (in GT-FOUR form anyways).
I think it has been designed with the driving spirit of the AE86 but there the resembelence ends... the styling seems to have the spirit of the celica (except the 7th gen... i think that was a step in the wrong direction).

[OldSkoolToys]

yeah, thats not a confirmation...thats just speculation.

His insider could be the owner of a dealership for all we know.


Until Toyota says otherwise, -nothing- is confirmed.

[OldSkoolToys]

Just a bit OT question what does a decent AE86 sell for in the USA currently?

Depends on where you are in the country and what trim.

Before that, just as important than trim in measuring market price is really what body style. Coupes fetch a smaller price than hatches.

SR-5's are about as universal in price as it gets. A beaten up but running one is worth (Thats, net worth to the enthusiast market) about 800-1200. A good condition running SR-5 is anywhere between 1200-2000, with $2000 being exceptionally clean and straight, and typically in an area where AE86's are heavily rare, because only the desperate would buy an SR-5 for $2000. If you're paying more than $2000 for an SR-5 you're no longer desperate, you're downright insane, UNLESS you already have access to necessary parts to convert it basically into a GT-S....or any other parts to make it competent (like say tuned 3T-C, etc.).

GT-S' are a different story. I've seen ok condition hatches sell for as much as $4500. But you could say the average for a running ok/good condition GT-S is $2500-$5000, depending largely on how well maintained it is and what mod's are on it. Non-running GT-S' can still sell well, especially if the interior is clean and the body is marginally free of scars. My friends non-running '86 (kouki) hatch sold for $2200 a few years back.

My hatch with the currently not running 4A-GE, could probably easily sell down here for $2500. Why? Well, the GT-S market down here is pretty scarce. It's also a hatch.

An unmolested (not touched AT ALL) and clean GT-S hatch would fetch the highest premium next to a professionally built GT-S hatch street car....and the price is really very dependent on the market variables. I'd say no less than $4500 and as high as $7000. The same car, only low mileage (sub 100k) and clean as all getout....well, I've heard of one selling for $10000. Not joking.

This is of course after the huge blowup in popularity of the car and drifting that started in the early 2000's. Before that, the car reflected more the KBB value for a 15+ year old corolla: Not much.

[Riden86]

Originally Posted by 205R

As for the name of the FT-86... I dont understand why calling it a celica is such a big deal.

Because it start with all new AE-86 concepts, not the Celica. If they start with "we are going to make new Celica", so there are no need to have ft86club.com website here and we should move to celicaclub.com instead,right?

or ..... may be Supra86club.

[205R]

Originally Posted by Riden86

Because it start with all new AE-86 concepts, not the Celica. If they start with "we are going to make new Celica", so there are no need to have ft86club.com website here and we should move to celicaclub.com instead,right?

or ..... may be Supra86club.

Yeah I get where you are coming from... but I think the promotion of the name 86 has more to do with getting ppl to think about what that car was and more importantly what it is now, because thats how they want their new sports car to be seen, like i said, it's being developed in the spirit of the AE86

The AE-86 was never a model of car... it was a chasis code, the car itself was a corolla and I can't see the FT-86 fitting in as the new sports version of a corolla

Personaly I would prefer they just kept FT-86

[enc0re]

To me, Celica is Toyota's ultimate heritage badge and what this car should be called. Both the Supra and the Camry started as Celica models. You can't get more old school than that.

I still can't believe they let that 37-year continuous production nameplate end. That's like Ford discontinuing the Mustang.

[Leeky]

A gap between the 7th and 8th gen celica's is actually a smart move. It means that they shrug off some of the image of the Gen7. MG have done it. Disappear from the market for a number of years...everyone forgets about MG and now MG are back and their new cars look great! Toyota can now bring out the Gen8, its RWD and looks awesome! Lets start again now the original formula is back!

[ft86cbx]

Originally Posted by Leeky

A gap between the 7th and 8th gen celica's is actually a smart move. It means that they shrug off some of the image of the Gen7. MG have done it. Disappear from the market for a number of years...everyone forgets about MG and now MG are back and their new cars look great! Toyota can now bring out the Gen8, its RWD and looks awesome! Lets start again now the original formula is back!

I dont think anyone who knows anything about cars would say MG have shrugged off their image. I wouldnt buy a new MG if it was the only car in production.

[Zaku]

I really don't see the problem here. ... I mean buy the Subaru. Problem solved. It's prolly gonna be the same Subaru everywhere in the world.

[iff2mastamatt]

Originally Posted by Zaku

I really don't see the problem here. ... I mean buy the Subaru. Problem solved. It's prolly gonna be the same Subaru everywhere in the world.

Probably, but it's going to come way later.

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by iff2mastamatt

Probably, but it's going to come way later.

Link for source?

[Random_Art]

Originally Posted by Leeky

A gap between the 7th and 8th gen celica's is actually a smart move. It means that they shrug off some of the image of the Gen7. MG have done it. Disappear from the market for a number of years...everyone forgets about MG and now MG are back and their new cars look great! Toyota can now bring out the Gen8, its RWD and looks awesome! Lets start again now the original formula is back!

Why do people hate on the 7th gen so much? I loved mine.

[Maxim]

Originally Posted by ToyotaObsession

What cues are those? The big banner that said AE86 over the unveiling?

The squared off rear haunches and how they stop right at the tail lights, the headlight shape is a continuation of what was on the last celica (more stylized though), the overall size, the stance, and especially the bodykit seen on some of the prototypes out testing. It all screams Celica to me.

[Leeky]

Originally Posted by ft86cbx

I dont think anyone who knows anything about cars would say MG have shrugged off their image. I wouldnt buy a new MG if it was the only car in production.

I dont think anyone who knows anything about cars would slate the new MG's based on the crap that the Rover group created under the brand. Its well know that the new MG's come from China and MG is a company with a heritage that goes back to making sports cars decades before Toyota first came out with one.

And besides... people buy Skoda's now.... enough said

I wish MG the best of luck reviving the brand. We need more British car makers.

Anyway back on topic....

Im all up for them bringing back the Celica name