possible competition

[SkitterSkotter]

Honda's cr-v is a very nice car all around, I would be willing to say that it is currently their best car. Beyond that, they really have lost so much. When I picked up my FR-S it was the first non honda in our family for a serious amount of time. When I was looking to buy a new car I looked at the cr-z and insight, though both are just such a let down when compared to the offerings at hyundai with their genesis coupe and veloster.

The real sad part: Honda used to make the best vehicles, I had a 1993 accord that was bulletproof and tons of fun to drive, but their new cars are just bland and watered down. Don't even get me started on how behind on the technology curve Honda is as well. They are just NOW, for 2013, offering their first direct injection engine. Shit, even mazda had DI in 2006. Not to mention the fact that their transmission (while good in manual form) are still boring and have 5 speeds. Honda used to be a giant, now they are a shell of their former self. What's really hurting Hyundai is their performance ratings, for how much they say their cars produce, their testing numbers don't quite match up.

Toyota has certainly come a ways since their stumble and the GT 86 is proof of that. Though I would absolutely love to see some competition come at the FR-S from another manufactuer, because competition makes everyone work harder and better products emerge.

[00NissanNinja]

Originally Posted by nedmundo

I've certainly been disappointed in Honda, but they have not entirely lost their edge. For example, the 2.4 liter/6MT combo in the TSX, ILX, and Civic Si is fantastic. The motor loves to rev and sounds great, and the MT is one of the best around. It's classic Honda all the way. Also, the TSX probably has the best ride/handling balance of any FWD sedan I've driven; it feels almost like an Audi, not an older harsh-riding Honda. And the TL with SH-AWD and 6MT is by most accounts a great car.

Didn't they do some lame ass crap to those 2.4L engines like fuse the head to the headers. That's like a middle finger to tuners IMO. Honda always makes a good engine though.

On the motorcycle side of things they make awesome looking supersports, but they haven't done anything to their bikes in so long. I've been waiting for a major change to their supersports and it hasn't happened in 6 years. They still make amazing sport bikes but they need to keep at it I feel like they have slowly slipped off their throne over the years.

[adprokid]

Looking at 86/brz's sales, honda and nissan might be considring a small rwd, but how are they going to beat that price ?

[fistpoint]

Originally Posted by CBR600RR

@fistpoint

You mean the B16A used in the late 80's early 90's civic and CRX sir models?

Yes and no. We didn't get the 100hp per liter version in a Civic(del Sol isn't a Civic IMO) until '99, the Si. And never in a CRX(we got D16A6, 108hp).

Our Sol and '99-'00 Civic had the B16A2(160hp).

[mines13]

Originally Posted by jstans84

What is that next to the CBR in that first pic? It looks like a v-twin motor on something.

My roommate's V Rod. He also has a CBR600RR track bike though.

[jstans84]

Originally Posted by mines13

My roommate's V Rod. He also has a CBR600RR track bike though.

V Rods aren't bad, just as long as they are Night Rods.

[Pbrown]

Originally Posted by driftartist

i work at honda. the s2000 is making a comeback. they havent lost their edge by any means.

A year and half ago I saw some really agressive pictures of the new and improved Civic SI with an increase in HP. I was intrigued as I like and have owned Hondas. So it was great to have 3 cars to choose from, The FRS, Genesis Coupe, and Civic SI. Then the real car shows up at the dealership, 5 years of R&D to change the rear brake lights! That does not seem edgy to me. Especially when you know your competition is coming out with the likes of the BRZ/FRS. I will have to agree with the gentlemen who stated that Honda no longer cares about enthusiasts. I was very disappointed.

[driftartist]

supercharged mugen crz comming...180hp only but it will be light still...but idk

[dolph]

Originally Posted by getbent

Honda already has competition, the CR-Z

If the CR-Z was RWD and had a bit more power, I'd be interested.

Originally Posted by driftartist

supercharged mugen crz comming...180hp only but it will be light still...but idk

It'll still be FWD, and I'd rather have a mini or mazdaspeed3 if that's the case... assuming I'm willing to setting for FWD at all.

[crazyyankeefan]

Originally Posted by Kire

probably nothing. the miata had a monopoly back in the 90s and honda's response to it was the del sol.

What's del sol? j/k...

Originally Posted by xAgentzero13

Honda makes 1 good car now....the CRV lol. Heard rumors of a s2000 concept coming after the NSX. But honda has taken a plunge!

To be honest, CRV is not even good compared to competitors. The styling is simply horrible. I would take CX-5 over CRV any day.

Originally Posted by driftartist

i work at honda. the s2000 is making a comeback. they havent lost their edge by any means.

Honda have LOST their edge.

[driftartist]

Originally Posted by crazyyankeefan

Honda have LOST their edge.

has*

[raz0rbladez909]

Originally Posted by driftartist

supercharged mugen crz comming...180hp only but it will be light still...but idk

All they had to do was throw a k-series in the crz and tune the suspension for it and it would've been an instant home run.

[crazyyankeefan]

I do like the styling of CRZ, only if Honda could've made it sportier...sigh

[ST185RC]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mI5-L6s6dqk"]Futurama [Season 02][Episode 04] "Fry & the Slurm Factory" - YouTube[/ame]

Everyone remember Slurm? Good.

Seems like the car market is doing the same. Introduce Slurm that is slightly crappier (run of the mill civics or corollas) and kind of like original Slurm and when people hate it, introduce old Slurm as Slurm classic (remake of older times like the 86 and rumors of the NSX and S2000).